Friday, May 1, 2020

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Bruce <bruce@null.null>: May 01 10:50AM -0400

A Report From the Front
Positive, life-saving news from the trenches that's going unreported by
those fearful of ending the lockdown.
George Parry by GEORGE PARRY
May 1, 2020, 12:07 AM
 
Ever since President Trump expressed optimism about the use of
hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, the mere mention of that drug can
elicit instantaneous, strident, and finger-wagging condemnation by the
mainstream media and all those who are pulling for the pandemic to lay
waste to the economy and pave the way for a fundamental progressive
transformation of America. Despite its use by health-care providers
across the country and around the world to successfully treat COVID-19,
you will be mocked as either a fool or a snake oil salesman if you
approvingly utter the word "hydroxychloroquine" or even express hope
that it can be used to save lives. The word is simply not to be
tolerated in polite, progressive society.
 
Well, it appears that the list of forbidden words is about to get
longer. The new additions include "corticosteroids" and
"Methylprednisolone."
 
What do these widely available and relatively inexpensive drugs with
known safety profiles have in common with hydroxychloroquine? Leading
physicians are using them in addition to hydroxychloroquine to
successfully treat COVID-19. And they are doing so without waiting two
or three years for the results of randomized clinical trials.
 
On April 6, 2020, the aptly named "Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care
Consortium" issued a bulletin urging the "immediate adoption of [an]
early intervention protocol to prevent mortality and reduce the use of
ventilators from COVID-19 disease." The consortium consists of leading
critical care specialists from the University of Wisconsin School of
Medicine & Public Health, the University of Texas Health Science
Center, the University of Tennessee Health Science Center, Manhattan's
Lenox Hill Hospital, the Eastern Virginia Medical School, and other
equally distinguished medical schools and centers.
 
 
Based on the available research and "their decades-long professional
experiences in Intensive Care Units around the country," these experts
"strongly urge fellow physicians to immediately adopt a change in
strategy by delivering powerful [anti-inflammatory] therapies earlier
in the [COVID-19] disease course, prior to admission to the ICU or the
need for a mechanical ventilator."
 
COVID-19 is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. So, is this new drug
strategy calculated to eradicate the virus or reduce the patient's
viral load? Not at all, but, as these experts explain, that is quite
beside the point.
 
One of the consortium members is Dr. Pierre Kory, the Medical Director
of the Trauma and Life Support Center and Chief of the Critical Care
Service at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. In the bulletin, he
explains that "it is the severe inflammation sparked by the
Coronavirus, not the virus itself, that kills patients. Inflammation
causes a new variety of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS),
which damages the lungs."
 
As spelled out in the consortium's bulletin, the key to the new
treatment strategy is the early and prompt use of hydroxychloroquine
(which is also prescribed to reduce inflammation in lupus and
rheumatoid arthritis patients) and/or corticosteroids such as
Methylprednisolone to reduce the inflammation caused by the
coronavirus.
 
On April 20, 2020, Dr. Paul Marik, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care
Medicine at the Eastern Virginia Medical School, published a Critical
Care COVID-19 Management Protocol based on the consortium's findings.
In the protocol, he states the following:
 
Scientific Rational[e] for Treatment Protocol
 
Three core pathologic processes lead to multi-organ failure and death
in COVID-19:
 
Hyper-inflammation ("Cytokine storm") – a dysregulated immune system
whose cells infiltrate and damage multiple organs, namely the lungs,
kidneys, and heart. It is now widely accepted that SARS-CoV-2 causes
aberrant T lymphocyte activation resulting in a "cytokine storm."
Hyper-coagulability (increased clotting) – the dysregulated immune
system damages the endothelium and activates blood clotting, causing
the formation of micro and macro blood clots. These blood clots impair
blood flow.
Severe Hypoxemia (low blood oxygen levels) – lung inflammation caused
by the cytokine storm, together with microthrombosis in the pulmonary
circulation severely impairs oxygen absorption resulting in oxygenation
failure.
The above pathologies are not novel, although the combined severity in
COVID-19 disease is considerable. Our long-standing and more recent
experiences show consistently successful treatment if traditional
therapeutic principles of early and aggressive intervention is
achieved, before the onset of advanced organ failure. It is our
collective opinion that the historically high levels of morbidity and
mortality from COVID-19 is due to a single factor: the widespread and
inappropriate reluctance amongst intensivists [critical care
physicians] to employ anti-inflammatory and anticoagulant treatments
[blood thinners], including corticosteroid therapy early in the course
of a patient's hospitalization. It is essential to recognize that it is
not the virus that is killing the patient, rather it is the patient's
overactive immune system. The flames of the "cytokine fire" are out of
control and need to be extinguished. Providing supportive care (with
ventilators that themselves stoke the fire) and waiting for the
cytokine fire to burn itself out simply does not work… this approach
has FAILED and has led to the death of tens of thousands of patients.
(Emphasis added.)
 
Similarly, consortium member Dr. Umberto Meduri, Professor of Medicine
at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center, advises that
"There is no justification based on available evidence and professional
ethics to categorically deny the use of corticosteroid
[anti-inflammatory] treatment in the severe life-threatening 'cytokine
storm' associated with COVID-19. Misinformation about the only
anti-inflammatory treatment available for this 'cytokine storm' has
resulted in COVID-19 patients dying from massive inflammation without
receiving an effective and safe anti-inflammatory treatment. Mortality
for ventilating patients is 50% — unacceptable."
 
 
And Dr. Keith Berkowitz, a New York internist, adds, "Given the dire
circumstances in New York State, with almost 122,000 confirmed cases of
COVID-19 and 4,159 deaths, it is imperative that every hospital
immediately adopt this safe, low-cost and highly effective treatment
protocol, but they must implement it BEFORE the ICU, not after they
reach the ICU because, in this disease, the organ damage tends to be so
severe that patients rarely recover at that point." (Emphasis added.)
 
Obviously, these findings and the announcement of this new treatment
protocol are great news for all of us who want lives to be saved and to
see an end to the massively destructive lockdown of our nation. After
all, isn't the existence of an effective, widely available, scalable
treatment with a known safety profile for COVID-19 a powerful argument
for reopening America and ending government's ongoing destruction of
our lives, livelihoods, and the economy?
 
Of course it is, which is why you will never hear about these findings
or strategy from the mainstream media and their progressive allies, who
have a stake in prolonging the lockdown. Just as they have mocked
hydroxychloroquine and banned any favorable mention of its use, you can
anticipate that news of the consortium's protocol or any other
successful treatment available in the here and now — and arrived at
without a lengthy delay for randomized clinical trials — will go down
Orwell's "memory hole." Not only would such good news run counter to
the prevailing progressive orthodoxy that the only responsible,
"science-based" course is to keep America locked down, it would also
vindicate President Trump's expressed optimism about hydroxychloroquine
— a clearly unacceptable outcome for our progressive betters.
 
But here's a question: why weren't physicians from the very onset of
the pandemic using this or a similar strategy to treat the inflammation
caused by SARS-CoV-2? As stated in Dr. Marik's treatment protocol, the
consortium provides this disturbing answer:
 
The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid
[anti-inflammatory] therapy resulted from the published recommendations
against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American
Thoracic Society (ATS) amongst others. A very recent publication by the
Society of Critical Care Medicine and authored [by] one of the members
of our group (UM), identified the errors made by these organizations in
their analyses of corticosteroid studies based on the findings of the
SARS and H1N1 pandemics. Their erroneous recommendation to avoid
corticosteroids in the treatment of COVID-19 has led to the development
of myriad organ failures which have overwhelmed critical care systems
across the world.
 
Our treatment protocol targeting these key pathologies has achieved
near uniform success, if begun within 6 hours of a COVID19 patient
presenting with shortness of breath or needing ≥ 4L/min of oxygen. If
such early initiation of treatment could be systematically achieved,
the need for mechanical ventilators and ICU beds will decrease
dramatically. [Emphasis added.]
 
Got that? The World Health Organization, which authoritatively told us
that there was no human-to-human transmission of the virus and which
bitterly condemned President Trump's China travel ban, and the CDC,
which wasted precious weeks using the wrong test for SARS-CoV-2,
recommended against using anti-inflammatory drugs to treat COVID-19.
This failure and misinformation by these taxpayer-funded organizations
are as infuriating as the Food and Drug Administration's recent warning
about hydroxychloroquine possibly causing irregular heartbeat in
COVID-19 patients even though the FDA provides no similar warning for
the millions of persons who take it for malarial prophylaxis or as an
anti-inflammatory in the treatment of lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
 
Finally, are you ready for some real irony? Remember those tens of
thousands of ventilators that Gov. Andrew Cuomo demanded that the
federal government provide? The consortium strongly recommends that
they be used only as an absolute last resort. Why? As Dr. Marik points
out, "early intubation" will "cause the disease you are trying to
prevent, i.e., ARDS [Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome]." Ventilators
not only cause mechanical injury to the patient's lungs and "stoke the
cytokine fire," but Dr. Howard Kornfeld, President of the Pharmacology
Policy Institute, adds that "This protocol will not only save patients
lives, it will also lessen the danger to the doctors and nurses who
treat them by decreasing the need for mechanical ventilators." In
short, in addition to harming the patient, use of a ventilator also
increases the medical staff's risk of infection.
 
All that you have just read is the work product of highly qualified
experts who are on the front lines every day successfully treating
COVID-19. They are not living in ivory towers and pontificating from on
high about the need for randomized clinical trials and the production
of vaccines that are years away from being developed — if they ever
will be. Theirs is a report from the trenches, and it is all positive,
good news. It is also comprised of vital information that must be made
public so that, hopefully, it will inform the debate as to when, if
ever, America may be liberated from its suicidal, government-imposed
imprisonment. Since we can't count on the mainstream media to report
these findings fully or fairly, I urge you to copy the consortium's
linked documents and share them with one and all, including your
doctors.
 
I also urge you to have copies available to take with you to the
hospital if, God forbid, you become infected. Keep in mind that the
consortium strongly recommends that the administration of the
hydroxychloroquine, Methylprednisolone, or whatever corticosteroid
should promptly begin in the emergency room and continue throughout
hospitalization. As noted by the consortium, there is resistance to
using its anti-inflammatory strategy, and, for that reason, you must be
ready to be your own best patient advocate.
 
So, as we used to say in the Boy Scouts, "Be prepared" by having
printed copies of the consortium's documents readily available. The
life you save may be your own.
 
George Parry is a former federal and state prosecutor. He blogs at
knowledgeisgood.net and may be reached by email at kignet1@gmail.com.
 
https://spectator.org/a-report-from-the-front/
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: May 01 03:37AM -0700

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 8:30:58 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> Oh, and if Orient is now a banned word by progressive newspeak, I misspoke
> it by occident.
 
> leo
 
As Bruce pointed out, Orient is old-fashioned. I mildly object to it and
to Asian as being too vague.
 
You ate in a Chinese restaurant, not an Oriental restaurant.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: May 01 10:08PM +1000

On Fri, 1 May 2020 02:52:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
 
>> much for my classiness and exclusivity.
 
>> All I want is real food, not science projects.
 
>I guess that pretty much scared you off from making contributions about food. That's kind of chicken shit. Grow a pair and ignore the haters and the usual gang of idiots.
 
Yes, I have to pick myself up and keep going after that experience.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:53AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> the colour. That it also adds flavour... we ignore that. It's fake
> news. The colour is what it's about. It's very... it's awesome, very
> awesome colour.
 
Just to drift off a little bit.
When looking at a grocery store flyer advertising
for Easter dinner food a few weeks ago, they had
food coloring on sale for about $6 or so. Seemed quite
a bit high to me.
 
It's a small box of 4 colors and weight was only a
few ounces. That's pretty expensive stuff if you
do the math to see how much a pound it costs.
 
I used to have a box. Only used here to dye egg shells
at Easter when daughter was a little one. I thought I still
had an old box but I just looked and don't see it. oh well.
 
Anyway, I doubt that many (if any) home cooks still use that
just to "pretty up" a dish. It was popular long ago though.
 
Manufacturers still use it. Especially with children's cereal
to make it bright and colorful and attractive.
 
Ex. - Fruit Loops (all the colors and twice the sugar)
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:54AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
> Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
> doing that?
 
What a cheap shot from a baby dutch boy with paper shoes
during that time.
 
Those Vietnamese people did their share of killing Americans
back then too. I remember the daily death counts on the news
every single night for years.
 
News media always loves stuff like that. Now it's happening
again. First thing on national or local news...death counts.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: May 01 10:50AM -0400

On 2020-05-01 6:37 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> As Bruce pointed out, Orient is old-fashioned. I mildly object to it and
> to Asian as being too vague.
 
> You ate in a Chinese restaurant, not an Oriental restaurant.
 
 
Everyone seems to want to have the right to be offended these days.
Orient simple means the east, a carry over from the days when Europe was
the Occident.. the west They are the directions in which the sun rises
and sets. It seems that it is no longer PC to different the various
Asians as Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian etc. It's all too
confusing to try to keep up with political correctness.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 10:40AM -0400

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> we'll have pot roast. Not watery, though. Sorry to disappoint. It'll be
> served with a gravy flavorful with beef drippings, carrots, celery, onions,
> garlic, tomato paste, S&P, and wine.
 
Sounds good, Cindy. Any chance of a picture when you make it?
I only tease (not the same as "just kidding") Sheldon because
I've seen pics of his in a large pot and that looks more like
a stew to me.
 
Also...the only pot roasts I've ever had were watery beef
and vegetables. No gravy made from the drippings, just the
watery broth spooned over all. Not very good.
 
That's what my mom always made and also what my wife made
for 9 years. She probably got the recipe from my mom.
 
From that history, I've never risked a good cut of beef
to make a pot roast myself.
 
Seems that the gravy makes all the difference.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: May 01 10:39AM -0400

On 2020-05-01 3:11 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> hands of us).
 
>> It was quite a coup.  NOW it's a real cooking group.
 
> It was petty and stupid.
 
Oh? I thought it was the others who had been petty and stupid. They
were a bunch of tea party tyrants.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:53AM -0400

Leo wrote:
> > the woods soon:)))
 
> He has the hives. He has the bees. He has the honey. He lives where stills
> are not unknown. Where's the mead?
 
Also has some wooded property and both him and wife are
retired now. Life doesn't get much better than that.
 
Note to Terry: *I* would be interested in seeing a pic(s)
of your bee hives. :)
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:53AM -0400

Dave Smith wrote:
> I tried mead about 45 years ago. Maybe they just didn't have good mead
> around her back then. I was so impressed with it that I never bought it
> again and probably never will again.
 
I still buy Mead office supplies. They sell it all.
Mead offers notebooks, binders, folders, planners and all the
supplies you need for students, teachers, businesses ...
 
;)
Snag <snag_one@msn.com>: May 01 09:17AM -0500

On 5/1/2020 8:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> retired now. Life doesn't get much better than that.
 
> Note to Terry: *I* would be interested in seeing a pic(s)
> of your bee hives. :)
 
I need to find somewhere besides photobucket to post pics ... They've
gotten pissy about my ad-blocker and they are no longer Win XP - friendly .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 10:28AM -0400

Snag wrote:
> > of your bee hives. :)
 
> I need to find somewhere besides photobucket to post pics ... They've
> gotten pissy about my ad-blocker and they are no longer Win XP - friendly .
 
Please use one of these two.
Easy to use without subscribing:
 
https://www.hostpic.org (I use this one)
or
https://i.postimg.cc (most here use this one)
 
Try both and see which one you like.
"Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: May 01 03:34PM +0100

"Gary" wrote in message news:5EAC29C0.39695210@att.net...
 
Leo wrote:
> > the woods soon:)))
 
> He has the hives. He has the bees. He has the honey. He lives where stills
> are not unknown. Where's the mead?
 
Also has some wooded property and both him and wife are
retired now. Life doesn't get much better than that.
 
Note to Terry: *I* would be interested in seeing a pic(s)
of your bee hives. :)
 
===
 
I would too:)) But don't worry Terry, if you don't want to. It's ok. I
love to hear about them anyway:)
 
 
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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:55AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
 
> He ceded power? Didn't the governors always have that power? And
> didn't everybody know that, except Trump? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
> not American, you know.
 
You worry so much, I'll nominate you as the American Mascot.
 
The individual state governors have always had the final say yet
Trump gets blamed for everything bad.
 
Sadly, Americans have turned this serious pandemic into
political games only thinking about next November.
NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.
Boron Elgar <boron_elgar@hotmail.com>: May 01 10:01AM -0400

>political games only thinking about next November.
>NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
>So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.
 
This serious pandemic turned itself into a global socio-economic
crisis.
 
The ego-centricity you claim about it being only a political game in
and only so in the US because of the election is foolish and blind.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 10:15AM -0400

Boron Elgar wrote:
> crisis.
 
> The ego-centricity you claim about it being only a political game in
> and only so in the US because of the election is foolish and blind.
 
I'm only talking about conditions in the USA. Get it?
So tell me. Do you agree that it's all Trump's fault?
Or at least, mostly his? (in the USA, I'm talking about)
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: May 01 10:01PM +1000

On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:11:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
 
>Because I hate to travel. I'm done traveling. I want to sleep in my
>own bed.
 
>Now that my in-laws are dead, I don't have to travel anymore.
 
I like it in moderation. Once every couple of years, for a week max.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 09:56AM -0400

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> > "Unless you need some lettuce" is all he said.
 
> He was ragging on me a few weeks ago about going to the grocery store
> too many times during the pandemic.
 
Just to buy more lettuce! :)
bruce2bowser@gmail.com: May 01 06:11AM -0700

On Apr 30, 2020 6:58PM, Snag wrote:
> most definitely hallucinating if you think Arkansas and Missouri will
> vote for Quid Pro Joe . We may talk funny , but we are neither blind nor
> stupid
 
You say what you want about Arkansas, but remember how your own personal BILLY WILLY BOY got in the governor's office all those years
Pamela <pamela.poster@gmail.com>: May 01 01:58PM +0100

On 21:42 30 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
 
> minutes. My oven always seems to get the right results at the minimum
> time. I gave them another two minutes, checked and opted for another
> minutes. Despite the snags, they turned out beautifully.
 
Yum yum yum although very rich. :)
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: May 01 03:21AM -0700

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 7:41:36 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> the World. I don't believe anything that the liberal/union press spins,
> and I saw the press conference. He was spitballing, and his comments were
> directed to the professionals, not the press.
 
If a 73-year-old man can consider injecting disinfectant, even while
spitballing, there's something wrong with him.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: May 01 10:03PM +1000

On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:21:22 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> directed to the professionals, not the press.
 
>If a 73-year-old man can consider injecting disinfectant, even while
>spitballing, there's something wrong with him.
 
And then he lies and says he was being sarcastic. Such a child.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: May 01 07:46AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> >> ass and painting it purple.
 
> >Pictures, please.
 
> To Jo-Jo's personal email address, please.
 
Thank you for that, Bruce.
I sure don't want to see it. ;o
Lucretia Borgia <lucretiaborgia@fl.it>: May 01 08:09AM -0300

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:55:38 -0700 (PDT), bruce2bowser@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 
>> So help me, CANNED IN CHINA! Are you fucking kidding me? There were two brands, I looked at the other brand, CANNED IN CHINA!!! Well fuck that, I don't need oysters that bad. I put the cans back. Are they crazy? I mean, my underwear is probably made in China, that's bad enough. But I don't eat my underwear. Can you imagine a bunch of Chinese workers canning oysters? Do you know how messy that would be? And do you trust THEIR health regulations? No fucking way.
 
>> How can they allow food items to be imported from China? They might as well say, "Made in Wuhan", "canned in bat oil", cuz I'm not going to buy them no matter where the fuck they're made at.
 
>Like Trump's caviar from Russia's Black Sea (that bankers bought for him). It's all a question of overhead and demand (ebitda); the bottom line.
 
I thought he only ate hamburders ?
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: May 01 03:15AM -0700

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 12:54:28 AM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> priestly politicians who accept graft, couched as "donations" for their
> own political and economic gain. Who are the bad guys here?
 
> leo
 
There's plenty of blame on all sides. If I ruled the world, the penalty
for that kind of bribery would be death to the giver and the receiver.
My first act at Tyrant of the United States would be to shut down K street.
 
Cindy Hamilton
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