Tuesday, January 11, 2022

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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 05:52AM -0500

On 1/10/2022 6:40 PM, Alex wrote:
 
>> Jill
 
> When is the last time I called you that?  I don't recall ever typing
> that before.
 
Wouldn't matter if you did. She IS an old lady.
She's on "death row" now like many of us here.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jan 11 02:51AM -0800

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:14 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
 
After a couple of years of using plastic bags (for a while they weren't
allowing customers to bring their own bags), I saw someone else
using them, so that restriction must be lifted.
 
I decided to get some washable bags. I rejected these:
 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Reusable-Foldable-Shopping-eco-friendly-Washable/dp/B07V2RWST5/>
 
because they seemed too large. The checkstands at my grocery
are like this:
 
<https://www.roystonllc.com/products/checkstands/189-carousel-1>
 
My old bags (which were large) were troublesome.
 
I ended up with these:
 
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M6JPJR5>
 
Cindy Hamilton
Janet <nobody@hame.cock>: Jan 11 10:08AM

In article <srhujr$e9q$5@dont-email.me>, michael.trew@att.net says...
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
 
> Ah, I wasn't counting oatmeal. I suppose that's the modern version of
> hot cereal.
 
Porridge is not modern, it's been eaten for centuries.
 
Janet UK
Janet <nobody@hame.cock>: Jan 11 10:19AM

In article <sri1nc$dhn$1@dont-email.me>, michael.trew@att.net says...
> than anything. I didn't think of oatmeal when I made my initial post.
 
> Either way, it seems that most people who eat oatmeal today make single
> servings, and not family size servings in a large pot.
 
My family's been making real porridge in a large pot all my life; I
still do and so do my son and DIL for their kids. We never use instant
oats.
Still a very common breakfast staple in Scotland.
 
Janet UK
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 09:20PM +1100

>still do and so do my son and DIL for their kids. We never use instant
>oats.
>Still a very common breakfast staple in Scotland.
 
Do you add a raw egg just before you dig in?
 
 
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dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jan 11 02:47AM -0800

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 8:05:33 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> Honestly, I eat "cold cereal" like a child. Folks can judge as they
> will, but the only cereal in my pantry is a jumbo bag of fruity
> pebbles... LOL I ran out of "boo berry" from Hallowe'en.
 
My son came home balancing about 10 boxes of cereal in a stack. His friend gave it to him. They were Halloween cereal: Count Chocula, Boo Berry, and Franken Berry. I think all that's left is some Boo Berry - boo hoo, that's the worst one!
Arvila Gr <arvila.global111@gmail.com>: Jan 11 02:46AM -0800

TABLE OF CONTENTS
 
Changing Attitudes Toward Pot
Policy Reform
CBD
The FDA & CBD: Softening Stance?
Big Marijuana
It's the world's most commonly cultivated, trafficked, and used drug; as the push for legalization at home and abroad grows, marijuana is garnering significant attention from investors, manufacturers, and researchers. Despite the plant being illegal under federal law as a Schedule I drug, the U.S. legal marijuana industry was estimated at $13.6 billion in 2019 with 340,000 jobs devoted to the handling of plants, according to New Frontier Data.1
 
A total of 35 states and the District of Columbia have legalized marijuana for medical use, 16 of which allow adults to legally use the substance for recreational use as of April 2021.2 And that number may continue to rise, as more people are accepting the idea of legalizing marijuana across the United States.
 
This article looks at some of the uses of marijuana as well as the overall market for the drug.
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS
More than half of Americans believe marijuana use should be legalized.
The drug is already legal in 35 states, with 16 allowing adults to legally use it for recreational purposes.
Shifts in political policy are also changing as we find out more about the uses of marijuana for medicinal purposes.
Although it is still a controlled substance under federal government guidelines, the FDA continues to evaluate changes to marketing and export rules.
Changing Attitudes Toward Pot
Remember "Reefer Madness"—the film from the 1930s that was produced to teach parents and their children about the threat of marijuana? The film was originally intended to educate audiences but has now become a cult classic and a piece of satire.Just like the attitude about the film has changed, so are people's feelings about marijuana itself. This is especially true as we learn more about the drug and the apparent benefits that come with using it for medical purposes. Once considered an illicit substance, it is still deemed a controlled drug under federal government guidelines. But the stigma is being shed at a breathtaking speed, and it appears marijuana is on its way to the mainstreamAccording to a Pew Research survey, 67% of Americans believe the use of marijuana should be legalized. This is double what it was in 2000—31%—and five times what it was in 1969—12%.3 A New York University study revealed the percentage of adults aged 50 to 64 reporting marijuana use has doubled in the past decade to 9% and use among adults 65 and older has increased seven times during the same period to nearly 3%.4 The U.S. marijuana industry will generate $85 billion in sales in 2030, according to Cowen analyst Vivien Azer.
 
Policy Reform
As Democrats have control of both the House and the Senate as well as the presidency, marijuana policy reform advocates are hopeful legislative change could occur on the federal level soon. Politico pointed out that, in 2019, 296 members of Congress (68%) represent the 33 states with at least medical marijuana, which means there are sufficient votes to pass long-awaited bills.6 There are already several bills in the new Congress pertaining to marijuana.
 
Marijuana companies raised $116.8 billion in 2019, according to cannabis industry research firm Viridian Capital Advisors.7 We can expect this trend to continue, but important to the U.S. industry is also banking reform. Big banks are currently afraid of money laundering charges they may face if they work with these businesses. Besides the difficulty of getting capital, this means tremendous risks and inconvenience for companies operating in cash. The American Bankers' Association has been pushing for more legal clarity and bridging the gap between federal and state law, and we could see banks warm up to cannabis if bills like the SAFE Banking Act are passed.8
 
Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr announced he will not go after marijuana companies operating in states where the plant is legal. He also said the current discrepancy between state and federal law is "untenable" and needs to be fixed. He supports a federal law that prohibits marijuana everywhere.9
 
President Joe Biden has expressed that he wants marijuana decriminalized as well as having the criminal records of those convicted of possession of the drug expunged. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris was one of the co-sponsors of a bill called the Marijuana Justice Act introduced by Senator Cory Booker, which decriminalizes marijuana. Harris has expressed support of expunging convictions for those caught with marijuana and calls out for a path toward decriminalization and legalization.
 
CBD
Marijuana has been used as a means of treating illnesses in different cultures for thousands of years. The federal law banning it in the U.S., the Marihuana Tax Act, was passed in 1937. There is now growing acceptance of the plant as a legitimate option for patients who suffer from medical problems like chronic pain or seizures in modern-day America.
 
This is mostly thanks to cannabidiol or CBD—a natural compound found in cannabis plants that is non-psychoactive. This means it doesn't make the consumer high. CBD is sold as an ingredient in oils, oral sprays, creams, pills, or edibles like gummies and lollipops. Purveyors claim CBD can provide relief from pain, combat anxiety, and depression. It's even been linked to helping people living with cancer.
 
It's true CBD is having its moment. The term "CBD gummies" was the third-most searched food-related term on Google in the U.S. in 2018.10 Large companies like Corona owner Constellation Brands (STZ.B) and Marlboro cigarette maker Altria Group (MO) have bought multibillion-dollar stakes in marijuana companies. But forecasts for the CBD market argue this isn't just a temporary wellness craze.
 
New Frontier Data estimates the market for CBD derived from hemp will grow from a $390 million-dollar market in 2018 to a $1.3 billion market—or 3.3x—by 2022.11 Brightfield Group says the hemp CBD market can reach as much as $22 billion by 2022. Defending its lofty prediction, Brightfield's managing director Bethany Gomez said, "We are a team of highly conservative analysts and we did not take this lightly – I honestly believe that these are conservative numbers. We have no rose-colored glasses in terms of the bizarre and challenging regulatory framework that surrounds this industry, it will always be two steps forward, one step back. There are sure to be some problematic regulations and bumps along the way. But there is too much momentum, too much demand, and too much potential for this industry not to explode."1213
 
The FDA and CBD: Softening Stance?
Under the current U.S. Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) rules, all drugs containing CBD, a Schedule I substance, require the agency's approval. In June 2018, the agency also approved a CBD, marijuana-derived drug for the first time. GW Pharmaceuticals' (GWPH) Epidiolex was placed in the least restrictive Schedule V of the Controlled Substances Act by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which means it has a low potential for abuse.
 
Under federal rules, it is also illegal to market food products or dietary supplements that contain CBD, but the FDA indicated that may change in the future. In a December 2018 press release, it said, "Although such products are generally prohibited to be introduced in interstate commerce, the FDA has the authority to issue a regulation allowing the use of a pharmaceutical ingredient in a food or dietary supplement. We are taking new steps to evaluate whether we should pursue such a process." The statement was published after the Farm Bill legalizing the regulated production of hemp, another source of CBD was passed.14
 
This is great news for many companies betting on the compound and dealing with its murky legal status. But can investors expect all CBD to be placed in Schedule V or unscheduled altogether soon? Not quite. It's not easy for CBD to be unscheduled altogether because of international treaties the U.S. has signed. And while Epidiolex qualifies for Schedule V, only other FDA-approved marijuana-derived drugs with low levels of THC can expect to join it there.
 
Big Marijuana
Since the explosion of marijuana products is almost certain, experts are now wondering what the industry might look like. Will large corporations come to dominate it and flood the market with a cheap and generic product? Ryan Stoa, a professor of law at Concordia University and the author of Craft Weed: Family Farming and the Future of the Marijuana Industry told The Verge this will be difficult because of the variety of strains available. Another factor he discussed was the consumer base's interest in locally-made or locally-produced artisanal products.
 
"On the regulator size, states have a role to play," he said. "You already see states like California putting a cap or limit on the size of marijuana farms, essentially saying, 'If we're going to legalize this industry, we want to spread the benefits to as many people as possible.' Other states are capable of replicating that model."15. The Future of the Marijuana Industry in America
 
Technology is also shaping the industry. Weed delivery company Eaze has raised $37 million and is reportedly valued at $300 million. It recently announced it is creating a platform to ship CBD products to 41 states.16 On-demand marijuana and cannabis delivery service Dutchie raised $3 million in 2018 from the venture capital firms of rapper Snoop Dogg and basketball player Kevin Durant among others. The Future of the Marijuana Industry in America. The Future of the Marijuana Industry in America
 
Expect to hear words like machine learning, automation, and blockchain used in relation to marijuana more often as well. MTrac promises to solve the industry's banking problems. Bloom Automation is building robots to trim and process cannabis. Compete Risk Free with $100,000 in Virtual Cash. The Future of the Marijuana Industry in America
 
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Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jan 11 02:41AM -0800


> > I've not seen Mary B's biscuits here.
 
> You'll have to check your local grocery store freezer case. If they don't
> stock them then you'll have to go to a larger store with more variety.
 
Perhaps not. Mary B's web site indicates that none are sold within
a 100 mile radius of me. I couldn't remember what Podunk town
Sheldon lives near, so I plugged in the zip code for Schenectady.
Also no Mary B's biscuits within a 100 mile radius.
 
We're Yankees. We don't care that much about biscuits.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 04:16AM -0500

On 1/10/2022 3:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
 
> I had and have no choice. I apologise to Dave for picking him again,
> but I had to pick someone.
 
I disagee there, real Bruce. No need to use Dave's address. Stick with
your own - "Bruce" or pick a new name (not one of the regular posters).
The troll will find you quickly anyway. No need to drag the real Dave
Smith into all of this mess.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 08:39PM +1100

>your own - "Bruce" or pick a new name (not one of the regular posters).
>The troll will find you quickly anyway. No need to drag the real Dave
>Smith into all of this mess.
 
Everybody was killfiling "Bruce" because of the froggers. Any new name
that I'd choose would get the same fate. The trolls would flood the
newsgroup until everybody had killfiled the new name as well.
 
People like Dave and Ed loved it. They suddenly loved the trolls. Now
not so much anymore...
 
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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 05:28AM -0500

Bruce Dave Smith wrote:
> Enough about me. Let's go back to talking about cooking and anything
> else that comes up.
 
You just turned into Jill :)
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 09:33PM +1100

>> Enough about me. Let's go back to talking about cooking and anything
>> else that comes up.
 
>You just turned into Jill :)
 
Hummingbirds!
 
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Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com>: Jan 11 01:42AM -0800

> > And the first thing I do clean up is my stinky well- exercised carcass a SHOWAH with SOAP!
> Meanwhile leaving all your stinky crud on the Nordictrack. Yep, you are
> definitely a pig.
 
And like an unwanted animal who has shown up at the camp site,
he needs to be driven off with fire. Continuous flames. Insults,
degradation and unceasing cruelty. Never feed the animal.
 
> I think of it as a lawn service shower. Wash and rinse everything well.
 
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
 
> You truly are an idiot.
 
Like a scavenger, starved for even crumbs of acceptance or
respect, the animal returns.
 
--Bryan
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 08:51PM +1100

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 01:42:45 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
 
>> You truly are an idiot.
 
>Like a scavenger, starved for even crumbs of acceptance or
>respect, the animal returns.
 
John was always here. You're the animal that returned. Why?
 
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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 04:57AM -0500

On 1/10/2022 4:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
 
> They both need help. But in your primitive mind, John's the enemy and
> since he's also Bryan's enemy, you defend Bryan. I think this is how
> humans thought when they'd just learnt to walk up straight.
 
Joan's family still has the sloped forehead feature. :)
"The Land of the Lost"
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 09:18PM +1100

>> humans thought when they'd just learnt to walk up straight.
 
>Joan's family still has the sloped forehead feature. :)
>"The Land of the Lost"
 
lol
 
Wait, let me do that Joan style:
 
***BRUHAHAHAHAHA*** GIVE THAT MAN A CEEGAR!!!
 
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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 04:18AM -0500

Hank Rogers wrote:
> Hell Popeye, if yoose can fuck a nun in the vatican, why can't the damn
> pope?
 
How do we know that he doesn't?
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jan 11 04:21AM -0500

On 1/11/2022 12:44 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 1/10/2022 20:45, Graham wrote:
>> Oh FFS! Jesus wept!
 
> Again, with the doggone acronyms.  It's a new one nearly every day.
 
For
Fucks
Sake
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 08:36PM +1100

>>> man", see: Garden of Eden story.
 
>> But the Garden of Eden was a fable anyway!
 
>Probably, but maybe not. No one alive knows what happens after death.
 
Personally, I don't know anything either way. But to literally believe
in a Garden of Eden strikes me as extremely childish. I'm not
surprised Michael "Little House On The Prairie" Trew believes
fairytales like that, but that's where the buck should stop.
 
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Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 11 08:40PM +1100

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 04:21:06 -0500, "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
 
>For
>Fucks
>Sake
 
Can someone send this child to finishing school?
 
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Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 05:01AM -0500

On 1/10/2022 4:43 PM, Graham wrote:
> and/or stupid, that's fundamental. However, if they try to invoke them in a
> way that will affect me or society at large, dammit they need to be judged.
> Furthermore, some are downright dangerous and should be condemned!
 
I agree. The lost 11th commandment from the bible should have read:
"Mind your own damn business"
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Jan 11 02:17AM -0800

Graham wrote:
 
> > other people for their beliefs.
> What? Some of the beliefs are so stupid, even dangerous, that it's only
> right to judge them!
 
 
Liberalism, as it's currently practised, is certainly one of them...
 
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GM
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Jan 11 01:43AM -0800

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:35:39 AM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> I picked up a 40 year old $7 Good-Will crock pot for a work pot luck 8
> years ago. Works like a charm! It is mainly used for pot lucks... I
> only wish that it had a "keep warm" setting (just low/high/off).
 
I always thought everyone used brand new cookware.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 11 04:53AM -0500

On 1/10/2022 4:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
 
> I'd leave out the peppers.  Not so sure about the ranch dressing but
> would try it.  Browning the meat first adds flavor too.  That is the
> down side of a crock pot.
 
Ah but only a momentary "down side."
 
From what I see here, pot roast is the same as beef stew only the beef
is cut to bite size and seared before cooking as stew.
 
I like the pre-cut to bite size beef and pan seared first then all goes
into a crock pot. A little bit of flour goes in there at some point to
thicken the water. Good food.
 
With my old pot roasts, never any browning first and nothing used to
thicken the water after cooking. Just a spoon of plain weak beef broth
spooned over the mess on the plate. It was always so very bland and,
imo, the perfect way to ruin a nice chunk of beef.
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com>: Jan 11 01:32AM -0800

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:27:16 AM UTC-6, US Janet wrote:
> I haven't been to a "Do" where the piggy was that big! Impressive.
> Smoked makes good eats.
> The eggy breakfast looks might fine.
 
We ate well on our camping trips. We all got together, plus a bunch
of others, last May at a state park. Here's an excerpt for the post
about that. Somehow I neglected to take photos.
 
_______________
It was my nephew's 50th B-day celebration. We all went to a state park
campground. I had this giant cryovac thing of pork spare ribs. I bought
it frozen over a week ago, and it thawed slowly in my fridge. The grill thing
was one of those ones with a cast iron grate, and right on the ground; it was
essentially a fire ring, but rectangular. It was not the sort of thing you cook
two big racks of ribs on. Folks there were dubious, both that it could be
done at all, and if I would have the lasting power to accomplish it, both
because my typical go-to-sleep time is so early, and because I was drinking
beer.
 
The fire was hot, and there were flames fueled by the fat from the ribs, but I
kept at it, flipping them with a fork, and sometimes dousing the fire of
charcoal and seasoned oak with water, but by damned I didn't make it work
acceptably. They weren't fall-off-the-bone tender by any stretch, and there
was a bit of burndness, but not much.
_______________
 
--Bryan
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