Sunday, June 23, 2019

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 8 topics

jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 06:27AM -0400

On 6/22/2019 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> (HarperCollins 2002)
 
> Thanks! I think my issue with it prior was the bread. I did not like the
> texture it gave.
 
What bread?
 
Jill
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 04:14AM -0700

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:27:47 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> > texture it gave.
 
> What bread?
 
> Jill
 
Many gazpacho recipes include bread as a thickener. Of course, it can be
omitted.
 
Cindy Hamilton
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 08:17AM -0400

On 6/23/2019 7:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> Many gazpacho recipes include bread as a thickener. Of course, it can be
> omitted.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
Okay, thank you! I was simply reading the recipe above and did not see
any mention of bread. It would never occur to me to add bread to
vegetable soup.
 
Jill
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 08:01AM -0400

> with her bosses. My second wife of less than one year was older than
> me and really didn't want to be married again. The third of less than
> one year who hung out at the gym was a cheat.
 
Sorry, I seem to have forgotten what you believe you explained to me in
long ago emails.
 
I freely admit marrying my ex- was a mistake. He had this odd idea that
once we got married I became his property. Let me state for the record:
I never cheated on him. He accused *me* often enough. Guilt from the
Gander?
 
I got a call one morning on my way out the door to work: his boss wanted
to know how he was doing. What? He said he'd been sick. Boss just
calling to check on him. He'd been getting up and leaving the house
dressed for work every morning but he hadn't been there for two weeks.
I have *no* idea where he'd been going.
 
After the divorce he harrassed and stalked me for *two years*. I was
working as a secretary and had to get permission from my manager to tape
the incoming phone calls. He stalked me. He showed up in the parking
lot at work and just sat there next to my car.
 
Later, he vandalized my car while it was sitting in my parents'
driveway. I took pictures of that. He left me cards in my mail box.
Thanks to the tapes and photographic evidence I pressed charges and had
him thrown in prison.
 
It was difficult to do. Initially I was told it was not a matter for
the police, it was a "civil" matter. A "domestic dispute". Uh... we're
not domestic, we're divorced. There were no stalking laws on the books
in TN in the 1980's. So the phone calls and following me around weren't
considered criminal. Vandalizing my car was. I was allowed to present
the stalking/harrassment tapes and such into the proceedings at that
point. He was convicted on "malicious mischief" charges. The judge and
the prosecutor threw the book at him. Too bad the book only allowed 11/29.
 
He never bothered me again. LOL Don't mess with Jill.
 
> have been happily married for thirty years. We both feel lucky to
> have met because we didn't want to spend the rest of our lives all
> alone.
 
Congrats! Really. You do know living alone doesn't mean "lonely", right?
 
We knew it would work because both our parents became best of
> onions but I manage. Tonight it's fried Italian saw-seege, not sure
> with what yet. Dosen't matter, we've never argued about food... she
> doesn;'t care, she eats whatever I cook so long as no onions.
 
I don't care for the texture of onions but I sure as heck do cook with
them. A fine mince and they must be cooked until tender. When I say
"saute" I mean "soft".
 
Jill
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 08:15AM -0400

On 6/22/2019 11:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> It depends on how done you like them and whether you're going to finish
> them in the oven.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
That's true of course. It also depends on what he's calling "thick cut"
pork chops. The thick cuts I find are at least 2 inches. Those, I
split and stuff and cook (roast) them totally in the oven.
 
Simply my opinion, I prefer 1/2" loin chops when pan frying. We can
forget all about the zoftig comment. ;)
 
Jill
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jun 23 07:31AM -0400

FMurtz wrote:
...
> This pastry was sort of gritty and crunchy.
 
that sounds like a crumble then. did she
use graham flour/crumbs or whole grain flour
or something unusual?
 
if it was very sweet it could have even
been a graham cracker crumb crust (which is
pretty common here for desserts).
 
 
songbird
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jun 23 07:28AM -0400

Julie Bove wrote:
...
> tomatoes. Although we had a bit of record high heat, most of our weather has
> been unseasonably cold. Not much in the way of local crops in the stores
> yet.
 
the only other thing i would have now is
fresh dill, peas and pea pods. i could dig
up some bunching onions and green garlic if
i felt like working that hard (but i don't
today :) ). too busy with other things.
 
for us tomatoes don't usually start
getting red until the middle of August.
 
cucumbers will be along soon as there
are flowers now.
 
peppers will be a few weeks further.
 
fresh beans in about six weeks (i'm ready
now!).
 
we've had way too much rain here so not
much sunshine. the past few days finally
have been sunny (two in a row!). today
will be warmer. i was ok with mid-70s.
 
 
songbird
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jun 23 08:01AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> >corned beef or sausage.
 
> LOL. "My vegetables are so mild, I have to season them with a dead
> animal."
 
Many comments in that post were odd.
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jun 23 07:43AM -0400

Joy Beeson wrote:
...
> and weed them and confine them to a row in the garden. Our house was
> built on fill, so I haven't been able to start a usable colony of
> wild-growing onions.
 
i'm not sure what to call a winter onion here
because to me any onion can usually grow and be
harvested at several different times depending upon
what you want (the green tops or the stalk or the
bulb). some onions do not get bulbs and are
stronger or milder at various times.
 
i really like using green garlic in the late
winter through until they start getting too
woody covers on the cloves (the next few weeks
as the garlic here is just starting to put on
scapes).
 
garlic is the easiest thing i grow here.
 
i've never had very good luck starting the
bunching onions from seeds so this past summer
a friend sent me some bunching onions as plants
to put in and they are blooming now. i'm so
excited because the blooms are covered with
bees of all kinds and it is fun to watch them
and see what new bees i've not seen before.
 
the bunching onions have grown so well that
i'm going to have plenty to break them apart,
eat some and then replant the rest in a row
in the garden where they are at now. the
seeds i'm going to harvest as soon as they
start showing signs of being developed enough
and then i can give them away at a seed swap.
 
the recent craze is ramps. the greenhouse
even was selling ramps this year.
 
our normal eating onions that i grow are
large sweet kelcey onions and some red
onions, but i didn't plant any red onions
this year for a change. i like to leave
a few of these from each season to flower
so i can get seeds, but i'm lax this year
due to injury last year so no large onion
flowers this year.
 
 
songbird
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 06:59AM -0400

On 6/22/2019 9:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
 
> In the late 1700s, a large percentage of Europeans feared the tomato.
 
> <read and snipped>
 
> Thanks! Very interesting!
 
Basic food history. In the late 1700's there were a lot of idiots
running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
Jill
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 04:17AM -0700

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:59:26 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
 
> Basic food history. In the late 1700's there were a lot of idiots
> running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
> Jill
 
Yeah, I'm surprised every doesn't know these things about tomatoes.
 
OTOH, in the early 2100s, there are a lot of idiots running around, too.
Our 18th Century forebears were as smart as us and did some amazing
stuff.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Jun 23 09:32PM +1000

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 06:59:19 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
 
>> Thanks! Very interesting!
 
>Basic food history. In the late 1700's there were a lot of idiots
>running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
Now they all live in gated communities.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 04:39AM -0700

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
 
> >Basic food history. In the late 1700's there were a lot of idiots
> >running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
> Now they all live in gated communities.
 
Are you aware that gated communities are a perfectly rational response
to a justifiable fear of home invasion? One million home invasions take
place every year, and 27% of those result in homeowner injury.
 
Gated communities are, of course, not the only rational response. My
husband keeps a gun on hand (but locks it away when we both are away
from the house).
 
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Jun 23 09:48PM +1000

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
 
>Gated communities are, of course, not the only rational response. My
>husband keeps a gun on hand (but locks it away when we both are away
>from the house).
 
I'm glad I don't live in the US.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 04:55AM -0700

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 7:48:38 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >husband keeps a gun on hand (but locks it away when we both are away
> >from the house).
 
> I'm glad I don't live in the US.
 
The statistics aren't any better for Australia:
 
<https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/home-contents-insurance/research/home-burglary-statistics.html>
 
Of course, home invasions mainly happen in areas of higher population
density. The cost/benefit analysis for driving 100 miles to break into
someone's house is not very good.
 
And if everybody moved out into the sticks to avoid home invasions,
the sticks wouldn't be the sticks anymore.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jun 23 08:02AM -0400

jmcquown wrote:
 
> In the late 1700's there were a lot of idiots
> running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
Yeah, what was up with that? Don't some still wear them in
England? Like in courts?
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Jun 23 10:02PM +1000

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 04:55:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>someone's house is not very good.
 
>And if everybody moved out into the sticks to avoid home invasions,
>the sticks wouldn't be the sticks anymore.
 
You guys all seem to live in fear. I wish you all the best.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jun 23 08:03AM -0400

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> Gated communities are, of course, not the only rational response. My
> husband keeps a gun on hand (but locks it away when we both are away
> from the house).
 
But he does keep it out when you are at home?
Paranoid much?
 
I don't live in a gated community. I don't have a firearm. I
don't worry.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jun 23 08:03AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> >husband keeps a gun on hand (but locks it away when we both are away
> >from the house).
 
> I'm glad I don't live in the US.
 
It's not as bad as the Cindy's lead you to believe.
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Jun 23 10:05PM +1000

>> >from the house).
 
>> I'm glad I don't live in the US.
 
>It's not as bad as the Cindy's lead you to believe.
 
I hope not. Keeping a gun on hand for fear of a house invasion sounds
very third world to me.
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Jun 23 10:06PM +1000

>> running around wearing powdered wigs. ;)
 
>Yeah, what was up with that? Don't some still wear them in
>England? Like in courts?
 
Yes. In Australia too maybe. Weirdos :)
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 23 06:52AM -0400

> in a fry pan. If you have an electric skillet you can us that on your deck
> to cook fish thus eliminating any indoor cooked fish odor. If you have a
> hot plate that would also work out on your deck.
 
I enjoy grilled food but it's totally dependent on the weather.
 
Maybe I'm nose blind but I don't have a problem with lingering cooking
odors. I guess the 30 year old vent hood over the stove does a good job. :)
 
Jill
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jun 23 08:02AM -0400

jmcquown wrote:
> > looked, just hasn't been important to me.... I don't know if my wife
> > likes veal
 
> If you're not interested and she's not interested, no reason to look for it.
 
Even among meat eaters I suspect that veal is probably very
politically incorrect and unpopular these days.
 
Take a few minutes to read all of this. Pretty sad stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal
 
Did you read all of that? Very cruel stuff for young animals.
 
All that said, sadly it seems to be the norm for many animals
that are raised commercially for our meat. To raise animals for
our food is one thing but to treat them cruelly as so many are is
just wrong. It's very wrong. What the hell is wrong with us?
 
Animals raised for human food should at the very least be given a
happy life from birth until the end. Sickening actually how so
many are treated.
 
In the old days, humans had to hunt for meat. At least those
animals had a normal life before being killed.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 04:04AM -0700

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 10:42:08 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
 
> There was a bread outlet in Oakland CA that did the same. I went in and
> bought a pack of English Muffins. Nothing else. They gave me 10 free packs.
> We were all pretty horrified.
 
They forced you to take the packages that you didn't want? How terrible
for you.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 23 03:48AM -0700

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 2:24:14 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
 
> That is simply not true. I'm not dissing the mainland all the time. For some strange reason, you equate being different as a personal insult. I sure don't. Being different means not the same. The differences between the mainland and Hawaii are significant. It matters very little if you don't like the state of things on this rock. It was you that brought up the word "hellhole" so you only have yourself to blame.
 
> If you've bothered to actually read the stuff that I post, you'll find that I enjoyed the times that we've lived in your strange land. I haven't said an unkind thing about California or Washington state. If you tell me that Detroit is not a scary place, then I'll have to respect your words since you're the expert on living in your state.
 
> I do find American food to be on the bland side but so what? My guess is that most people on the mainland like it just fine. That is not an insult - just a statement of fact. My main problem with the mainland is that I do not like the way black and Mexican people are treated. That part, I find appalling. You could call it dissing and insulting your people. Guilty as charged.
 
Every time you say "the mainland this" or "American that", you expose your
disdain and racism.
 
Cindy Hamilton
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