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| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 06:29PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:24:00 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote: > Had a big bowl of lima beans for supper last night. With cornbread, > ham, and turnip greens. Damn, that sounds good. |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Apr 24 10:31PM -0400 On 4/24/2020 6:31 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote: > I put it in hot butter and lightly fried it either side and it was > great, just the way halibut used to be. I did a piece of corn and > some green beans with it. Never had it. Went to the store Tuesday and they had halibut steaks. I had just ordered scallops and the guy was wrapping them when I noticed it. I did not want to keep it long or freeze it so I passed but will go back soon. My first thought was grilling but yours sounds good with butter. How thick of a piece did you have? |
| jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Apr 24 10:48PM -0400 On 4/24/2020 6:31 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote: > I put it in hot butter and lightly fried it either side and it was > great, just the way halibut used to be. I did a piece of corn and > some green beans with it. That sounds quite tasty! Jill |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Apr 24 10:55PM -0400 On 2020-04-24 10:31 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote: > back soon. > My first thought was grilling but yours sounds good with butter. How > thick of a piece did you have? Then there is the old joke..... Why do Newfies go fishing? For the Halibut. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 25 01:00PM +1000 On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 22:48:38 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote: >> great, just the way halibut used to be. I did a piece of corn and >> some green beans with it. >That sounds quite tasty! It does, although "a piece of corn and some green beans" sounds rather Spartan. |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 09:50PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 9:55:18 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > Then there is the old joke..... Why do Newfies go fishing? > For the Halibut. GROAN |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 06:27PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:06:05 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote: > he is supposed to be arresting people but he won't. And Dory keeps replaying > the clip where Inslee is saying "One trip to the grocery store every two > weeks." Believe it, yes, we are calling you a L.I.A.R. A stupid L.I.A.R. at that, not that any L.I.A.R. is smart. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Apr 24 09:33PM -0400 On 2020-04-24 8:12 p.m., Julie Bove wrote: > to 3 pm PST, you'll hear the clip being played repeatedly. I am not > going to listen to all of his press conferences again just to find it. I > did try. The man is insufferable. Not going to listen to any more old ones. Of course you won't find a site where you were told you could only shop once every two weeks. All I could find was an order to stay home unless it was important business like shopping. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 25 01:04PM +1000 On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:08:49 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" >you in helicopters, uh-huh. Like they're going to show up at everybody's >door and ask them where they were headed on such and such a date. >The ignorance is astounding. How about your ignorance, thinking that vegetarians eat fish (duh!)? Is that "stupid"? Do you have an "ignorant butt"? Is your ignorance "astounding"? Uh-huh. |
| jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Apr 24 11:04PM -0400 On 4/24/2020 6:09 AM, Julie Bove wrote: > cams, helicopters and also those "pass" things installed in cars. Not > sure what they are. I don't have one. However... > This is the country I live in and this Sheriff won't enforce the rules. You live in a new country, do you? (Hey, you often make fun of my typos so turnabout is fair play.) > https://news.yahoo.com/snohomish-county-sheriff-wont-enforce-172441515.html What does that link have to do with the price of tea? That article doesn't say anything about people only being allowed to go to the grocery store every 2 weeks. Another little attempt at deflection on your part. Tracking people with helicopters, really? Don't you think government officials have better things to do than count how many times you've gone to the grocery store? If anything, they're on the watch for people who are gathered for no good reason. Grocery stores may be counted in that if you've got a bunch of people needlessly chit-chatting in the parking lot. It doesn't justify your claim you can only shop every 2 weeks. There's no way for them to stop you from buying food. Face it, you bought some cheap frozen mac & cheese thing and didn't like it. You can't use a health related lockdown to justify your poor shopping choice. Live an learn but please don't make excuses. Jill |
| jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Apr 24 11:17PM -0400 > you in helicopters, uh-huh. Like they're going to show up at everybody's > door and ask them where they were headed on such and such a date. > The ignorance is astounding. She certainly has an interesting imagination. Helicopters? Maybe drones. ;) I sincerely doubt they're keeping tabs on how often people go to the grocery store. Who knows, there may well be shortages where she is. Shortened store hours and/or limited numbers of people allowed in the store at one time. That's to be expected. She's offered no proof people are only allowed to shop for groceries every two weeks. The logistics of all the grocery stores trying to keep track of who bought what when and where is astounding. Sorry, you can't shop today, you bought some bagged salad a week ago. At the store down the street. Really?! Stores have their hands full stocking what they can, maintaining inventory, having employees show up. She can't *really* believe people are being told they can't buy food... can she? Jill |
| jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Apr 25 12:01AM -0400 On 4/23/2020 11:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > not shopping as often, I was curious as to how long I could last. I > stopped counting at roughly 50 meals and did not even look in the pantry > with the pasta, rice, beans, etc. Just off the top of my head, I've got meat, fish/seafood and vegetables in the freezer. Bread, too. In the pantry, even though I don't much care for rice I have a bag of it. Also wild rice (yeah, I know it's not rice). Different types of dried beans and lentils; pearled barley. I store grits in the kitchen freezer along with cornmeal and flour. Back to the pantry, I've got all sorts of dried pasta, from the "Italian" variety to egg noodles and bowtie. Canned vegetables including canned tomatoes to make a quick sauce. Canned artichoke hearts (love em!). Oh, and I have some boxed broths. Beef and chicken. I even have a couple of cans of Spam and one of corned beef in the pantry. There's a jar of minced garlic in the fridge. Cheeses in the kitchen fridge drawer. Milk. Butter. (I also have some frozen sticks of butter). Eggs. Another cabinet contains cooking oils and things like Worcestershire and Teryiaki sauce. I've got plenty of dried herbs & spices, too. I've got some canned fruit and some refrigerated fruit snack cups. Also some raisins and nuts for snacking. Really, if I literally couldn't leave the house to shop for food for a while I'd be okay. It would be a drag, sure, but I'd not starve to death. Jill |
| jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Apr 25 12:20AM -0400 On 4/24/2020 8:28 AM, Gary wrote: > Same with me, Jill. I always keep about 2 months worth before > going hungry. After this long, it might turn into > "stay alive" food, not so much what I might prefer to eat. It's just the way I was raised. I have a couple of cans of salmon in the pantry, too. ;) I might not necessarily be in the mood for them, but I've got them. I also have home cooked smashed new potatoes in the freezer. I'm thinking I could make a nice egg and potato dish with some of the cheese. And maybe even some of the Spam. ;) > One good thing about this mess is that I've been clearing > out my packed freezer rather than constantly adding to it. > I can actually see the back wall again. :) I think her post is just an excuse for Julie to complain about disliking something yet again. No one told her to buy it. She's claiming she can't find any "real" food. And that there are regulations saying she can only buy groceries every two weeks. No proof of that at all. Jill |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 09:32PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 10:04:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > How about your ignorance, thinking that vegetarians eat fish (duh!)? > Is that "stupid"? Do you have an "ignorant butt"? Is your ignorance > "astounding"? Uh-huh. Yup, vegetarians do eat fish. Don't get upset Puke, you can't always be right. Maybe you can hop on a plane and come help stupid Ju-Ju find some fresh vegetables. I guarantee you won't get arrested for shopping more than once every two weeks. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 25 02:33PM +1000 On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 00:20:40 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote: >It's just the way I was raised. I have a couple of cans of salmon in >the pantry, too. ;) I might not necessarily be in the mood for them, >but I've got them. You were raised to have a couple of cans of salmon in the pantry? Yo, mama! |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 09:42PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote: > can, maintaining inventory, having employees show up. She can't > *really* believe people are being told they can't buy food... can she? > Jill As stupid as she is I'm not surprised at anything that comes out of that ignorant mouth. I bet that lazy ass doesn't get out of bed until 2:00 in the afternoon. What does she expect when she drags her lazy butt into a store in the late afternoon? If she wants a good selection she'll have to show up early in the morning and possibly hit more than one store. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 25 02:46PM +1000 On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:32:34 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" >right. Maybe you can hop on a plane and come help stupid Ju-Ju find some >fresh vegetables. I guarantee you won't get arrested for shopping more >than once every two weeks. I forgot you can't handle being proven wrong. Must be something in your upbringing. "Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from the consumption of meat (red meat, poultry, seafood, and the flesh of any other animal)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism But of course you, an expert on vegetarianism, know better :) |
| ChristKiller@deathtochristianity.pl: Apr 24 10:54PM -0500 On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >It doesn't suck at all. I think the seasons up here are just about >right. >Cindy Hamilton says you lol, I am eating pesto several months before you can even harvest. -- ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____ |
| Alex <Xela777@gmail.com>: Apr 24 09:09PM -0400 John Kuthe wrote: > Exactly! And was my new Prototype VSTD Meal! Good regular vegetarian food thrown together out of what I had. > OBTW I threw out my Ziploc with ham in it I kept in the refrigerator! I'm serious about doing the vegetarian thing. And it's healthier! For me and the animals NOT killed to feed me! > John Kuthe... That pig was already dead. |
| GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Apr 24 06:27PM -0700 Alex wrote: > > OBTW I threw out my Ziploc with ham in it I kept in the refrigerator! I'm serious about doing the vegetarian thing. And it's healthier! For me and the animals NOT killed to feed me! > > John Kuthe... > That pig was already dead. Lol...fuckin' Alex NAILS it... <chuckle> -- Best Greg |
| John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Apr 24 07:59PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:09:58 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > > OBTW I threw out my Ziploc with ham in it I kept in the refrigerator! I'm serious about doing the vegetarian thing. And it's healthier! For me and the animals NOT killed to feed me! > > John Kuthe... > That pig was already dead. And I just stopped demanding that ANY MORE PIGS should be killed for my eating pleasure. Because I have just gone vegetarian! As every human should. Not only for all the livestock, but to stop the terrible practices of animal slaughter on a grand scale, which is destroying our planet! Wise up Fucker! https://www.pbs.org/video/climate-change-the-facts-ua6lmf/ I have! John Kuthe... |
| John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Apr 24 08:01PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:27:39 PM UTC-5, GM wrote: > -- > Best > Greg You too are as dumb as a post https://www.pbs.org/video/climate-change-the-facts-ua6lmf/ John Kuthe... |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Apr 24 07:01PM -0700 On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:19:31 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: > >-sw > Typical bacon lovers would have a half dozen pound packages in their > freezer. Raises hand. |
| Alex <Xela777@gmail.com>: Apr 24 09:03PM -0400 John Kuthe wrote: > My Dinner this evening, first invented by me, in my house! > Delicious! > John Kuthe... Why the wobbly photo? THC detox? |
| GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Apr 24 06:23PM -0700 I like Andrew Sullivan, he is a cogent thinker...don't always agree with him on some things, but he makes some good points in this _New York Magazine_ piece: "We have done what we had to do, and I am not criticizing the shutdown strategy so far. I'm simply saying that it cannot last..." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/andrew-sullivan-we-cant-go-on-like-this-much-longer.html We Can't Go on Like This Much Longer "I began to lose it this week. I know, I have it very easy. I'm not required to put myself at risk every day as a hospital or essential worker. I'm still employed. I've got some savings, and don't have to worry about basic survival. I get food delivered. I haven't lost any family members or friends from COVID-19 (though I did lose my dad in a horrible accident, and couldn't get to the burial). My apartment gets plenty of sun and I have two dogs who love me. I get a couple of good walks in a day, and have plenty to read. I don't have kids. I have direct, personal experience of living through a plague once before in my life. All of that should make me a prime candidate to hang in, take this period as a disciplinary exercise, and generally be a good citizen. And I have been — I haven't had any physical human contact for two months now, I wear a mask everywhere, I use rubber disposable gloves for groceries, I keep my six-feet distance so far as I can, even though it's impossible in my neighborhood to walk on a sidewalk or in a park and not be accosted by joggers, who routinely come within inches of my face. I have no intention of breaking any of these rules, although I am tempted by homicide if any of these fit, entitled motherfuckers actually spit on the ground near me. But I can recognize signs of psychological and physical stress, and I'm beginning to lose it. This week, for some reason, Wednesday was a bad day. Or at least I think it was Wednesday. What day is it again? My sleep patterns are totally screwed up, and I find myself waking up tense several times a night, or crashing out for 10 or 12 hours at a time. I wake up and want to go back to sleep. My appetite is waning, and my body longs for some weights to push and pull. My teeth grind all night long and my jaw is tense. I have all the time in the world to read and write, and yet I find myself anesthetized with ennui, procrastinating and distracting myself. Yes, I scan the news every day, often hourly, to discern any seeds of progress. And here's the thing: I can't see much on the horizon. Yes, it's a big relief that our hospitals are no longer overwhelmed and daily deaths have plateaued or even declined a little. Yes, the epidemiological worst has not happened — largely because of the new behavioral rules — even though we could well be headed past the White House's estimate of 60,000 casualties in the medium term, and countless more whose bodies will be permanently wracked by the damage this virus does to the lungs and heart and kidneys. But I'm also aware that even this modest arrest of a previously exponential disease has only delayed the inevitable. "Flattening the curve" has actually been a remarkable success — but its very success will likely draw this epidemic out for months and years. Yes, if you're being super-realistic: years. Vaccines do not happen overnight — and even an 18-month deadline for vaccine salvation is being optimistic. We still don't have a vaccine for HIV, and probably never will. HIV is a retrovirus, which is far harder to vaccinate against than a coronavirus, but COVID-19 is exponentially more contagious than HIV, if not as fatal. Remove constraints and it will spread like ink on a napkin. A study yet to be peer reviewed from China suggests that the virus has so far about 30 mutations, some far more severe than others. It is also unclear that antibodies can even succeed in preventing the disease, and for how long: "Preliminary studies on monkeys suggest COVID-19 antibodies provide partial, short-term protective immunity to reinfection, but, as Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch recently wrote for the New York Times, these early results are just 'educated guesses.'" Notice the word: "short-term." We are going to be dealing with some form of this virus for the indefinite future, and it has a good chance of becoming endemic: "Other coronaviruses, which cause common cold symptoms, lead to a very weak immune response and people can catch the same bug multiple times in their lifetime." A preliminary study of convalescent patients in China was not encouraging: It found that 30 percent of those who had been infected by COVID-19 had so few antibodies to the disease it was unlikely they'd have any immunity. If this finding turns out to be true, we're truly, royally fucked. Treatments? That's at least worth some limited optimism. It was treatments — not a vaccine — that allowed us to turn the corner on HIV. And that's why I still do get up in the morning. The trouble is that it took years to develop effective treatments for the vast array of opportunistic infections, and more than a decade for scientists to come up with an effective treatment for the virus itself. When a virus is brand new, and we don't know much about it, it simply takes time to figure out its weak spots, and develop treatments to exploit them. We're talking several months at best, and — as with HIV treatments — we will be disappointed most of the time. Hydroxycholoroquine turns out, in some patients, to make things worse, not better. Gilead's remdesivir is one reason I have some hope. Seven clinical trials are underway, and anecdotal studies in Chicago have raised hopes. Yesterday, leaked data from one trial suggests it might be a flop, but that particular trial may also be misleading. We don't know. This pattern of hopeful rumors that were later dashed is a familiar one for HIV survivors. There were countless possible treatments for various aspects of AIDS opportunistic infections in the late 1980s and '90s, and trials were constant. Many succeeded in arresting some aspects of the disease — but many very promising trials turned out to be duds. What looked like breakthroughs in phase three trials often became crushed hopes in phase four. Remdesivir is an already existing drug, designed for Ebola (and eventually rejected in favor of better treatments). AZT was also a preexisting medicine that seemed promising at first, and then we discovered, through rigorous trials, that mono AZT therapy was basically useless, and usually toxic. It took years for researchers to come up with drugs that could, sometimes in combination with AZT, bring viral loads to zero. It may take just as long to develop brand-new treatments that could make a decisive difference with COVID-19. The obvious massive difference between the race to find treatments for HIV and those for COVID-19 is also that HIV in America was relatively contained within the world of anal sex and intravenous drug use (and still is). The broader society could go on as normal, even though the gay world was experiencing medieval levels of death. With COVID-19, in stark contrast, we have shut down almost our entire economy and restricted all human interaction in unprecedented ways. Even in 1918, there was no national shutdown similar to the one we've imposed more than a century later. Yes, there were masks and social distancing and business restrictions, but the most draconian measure, in Saint Louis, shut down all economic activity in only one city for just 48 hours. So we have created a scenario which has mercifully slowed the virus's spread, but, as we are now discovering, at the cost of a potentially greater depression than in the 1930s, with no assurance of any progress yet visible. If we keep this up for six months, we could well keep the deaths relatively low and stable, but the economy would all but disintegrate. Just because Trump has argued that the cure could be worse than the disease doesn't mean it isn't potentially true. The previously unimaginable levels of unemployment and the massive debt-fueled outlays to lessen the blow simply cannot continue indefinitely. We have already, in just two months, wiped out all the job gains since the Great Recession. In six months? The wreckage boggles the mind. All of this is why, one some days, I can barely get out of bed. It is why protests against our total shutdown, while puny now, will doubtless grow. The psychological damage — not counting the physical toll — caused by this deeply unnatural way of life is going to intensify. We remain human beings, a quintessentially social mammal, and we orient ourselves in time, looking forward to the future. When that future has been suspended, humans come undone. Damon Linker put it beautifully this week: "A life without forward momentum is to a considerable extent a life without purpose — or at least the kind of purpose that lifts our spirits and enlivens our steps as we traverse time. Without the momentum and purpose, we flounder. A present without a future is a life that feels less worth living, because it's a life haunted by a shadow of futility." Or, in the words of the brilliant Freddie deBoer: "The human cost of the disease and those it will kill is enormous. The cost of our prevention efforts are high as well. You're losing something. You're losing so much. So you should mourn. We've lost the world. Mourn for it." We have done what we had to do, and I am not criticizing the shutdown strategy so far. I'm simply saying that it cannot last. We keep postponing herd immunity, if such a thing is even possible with this virus. A massive testing, tracing, and quarantining regime seems beyond the capacity of our federal government in the foreseeable future. And we are a country without a functioning president — ours thinks we should inject bleach to kill COVID-19, and is also doing what he can to divide the nation to keep his fast-diminishing candidacy from imploding. And we know this much after three and a half years: The worse this gets, the worse he will get. Already he is lambasting shutdown orders as well as Georgia's attempt to end the shutdown. He is an incoherent, malevolent mess of a human being. I used to be disgusted by him. I am now incandescent with rage at him and the cult that enables his abuse of all of us. And so we wait. Absent a pharmaceutical miracle, we are headed, if we keep this up, toward both a collapse in the economy and an inevitable second wave that will further cull the population. Yes, I'm a catastrophist by nature. I hope and pray something intervenes to save us from this uniquely grim future. But I learned something from the AIDS years: Sometimes it is a catastrophe. And sometimes the only way past something is through it..." </> By Andrew Sullivan |
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