Wednesday, July 8, 2020

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 9 topics

Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jul 09 09:51AM +1000

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>When I get this I will know by feel but I gotta have a real start.
>Title, I need a real chart.
>Show 3 charts that agree.
 
I'd trust KA. Or else follow a recipe that uses grams and weigh your
flour. Weighing's a bit more precise until you get a feel for it.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jul 09 09:52AM +1000

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>Its like why did my bagels come out amazing but bread is dense. Gargage quality.
 
How much flour and liquid did you use?
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jul 09 10:09AM +1000

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>When I get this I will know by feel but I gotta have a real start.
>Title, I need a real chart.
>Show 3 charts that agree.
 
Trust KA. A cup of flour is 120 grams and a cup of water is approx.
240 grams.
Mike Duffy <bogus@nosuch.com>: Jul 09 02:26AM

On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:01:35 +0100, Pamela wrote:
 
> A cup measures volume. Those gram quantities are weights.
> This equivalence will change depending on the ingredient.
 
True. And as Cindy pointed out here a few weeks ago, even the same
substance (the example was salt) can have a different effective mass
density depending on the size of the crystals.
 
The effective mass density of course depends primarily on the intrinsic
mass density of the particular substance involved, as you said above. But
it also depends on the shape of the particles AND on the size (& shape)
distributions as well, because of how the pieces fit together when left
to chaotic positioning.
 
(Yeah sure, in theory for salt it would be perfect if the grains could be
packed in perfectly cubic arrays.)
 
Salt is actually a bad example, because the particles are crystals of
uniform size and shape (cubes). Nonetheless, there is enough variance to
yield a measurable effective difference in mass density between 'kosher'
and 'table' salt, due empirically to grain size.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jul 09 12:29PM +1000

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 02:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy <bogus@nosuch.com>
wrote:
 
>uniform size and shape (cubes). Nonetheless, there is enough variance to
>yield a measurable effective difference in mass density between 'kosher'
>and 'table' salt, due empirically to grain size.
 
Hey Mike, write a book about it.
graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Jul 08 08:50PM -0600

On 2020-07-08 2:57 p.m., Thomas wrote:
 
> I would like a good chart.
 
> I see 1 cup is 8 oz times 28.35g equals 226.8
> I have been failing.
 
Look for a copy of "The Baker's Manual" by Amendola and Rees. They give
conversion tables for every baking ingredient under the sun.
For example: If you spoon flour into an American standard cup (236ml)
and then level off, the weights for these flours are as follows-
AP 4.25oz
Bread 4.75oz
WW 4.5oz
Cake 4oz
 
However, a few months ago I weighed cups of flour and the results were
posted on the bread group. Here is that post:
 
"I've just made a couple of kg of bread dough from a newly opened bag of
flour.
I used a 250ml measuring cup as a handy scoop to put the flour into a
bowl on the scale and was astounded when it weighed 175g. A lot of US
recipes use a 4oz/114g equivalence but as many devotees of weighing will
attest, it all depends on how you fill the cup.
That 175g measure equates to 168g for a 236ml US cup.
I then used a whisk to stir up the flour in the bag and spooned the
flour to fill the cup. That weighed 134g (126g US).
No wonder my elderly neighbour complained that she couldn't make decent
pastry as she used volume measure."
graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Jul 08 08:52PM -0600

On 2020-07-08 6:09 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> Show 3 charts that agree.
 
> Trust KA. A cup of flour is 120 grams and a cup of water is approx.
> 240 grams.
 
But it all depends on how you fill the cup!!!!
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jul 08 08:14PM -0400

On 7/8/2020 7:45 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> institutionalized meals to me.
 
>> Jill
 
> Prison food.
 
I think they have better food in prison. Garlic mashed potatoes mixed
with beans and rice and other veggies is definitely not appetizing. I
sure as hell wouldn't brag about eating it constantly.
 
Jill
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Jul 08 07:37PM -0500

Bruce wrote:
>> institutionalized meals to me.
 
> I have a standard breakfast. We always have the ingredients, I like it
> and it's quick. Suits me just fine.
 
How nice for you. <sniff>
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Jul 08 07:39PM -0500

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> institutionalized meals to me.
 
>> Jill
 
> Prison food.
 
Or navy food Popeye.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jul 08 09:30PM -0400

On 7/8/2020 7:38 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> thing every day sounds just plain boring.  It also sounds like
> institutionalized meals to me.
 
> Jill
 
I eat eggs for breakfast five days a week but prepare them in different
ways. Today was hard boiled, made yesterday with the soft boiled, just
left in the pot. Never have hot cereal, last time I had cold was about
35 years ago.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jul 08 06:38PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 5:48:41 PM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
> shallot, leek), especially when eaten raw, is strong enough in the blood
> that after eating alliums, it can actually cause its characteristic odour
> on the palms and on any mucous membrane, such as eyes, nose, mouth, etc.
 
I believe that without a doubt!
graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Jul 08 08:41PM -0600

On 2020-07-08 5:46 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> institutionalized meals to me.
 
> I have a standard breakfast. We always have the ingredients, I like it
> and it's quick. Suits me just fine.
 
As do I and I never tire of it.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jul 08 10:23PM -0400

The basics is two slices of bread and a filling but I know some of you
come up with strange concoctions. Don't do it. These guys are watching you
 
https://imgur.com/gallery/fOQG1yI
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jul 08 07:26PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:23:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
 
> The basics is two slices of bread and a filling but I know some of you
> come up with strange concoctions. Don't do it. These guys are watching you
 
> https://imgur.com/gallery/fOQG1yI
 
I bet they take a bite out of crime.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jul 08 08:38PM -0400

>> thread. I just never think about that jar of honey. <shrug>
 
>> Jill
 
> Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
 
The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.
 
Jill
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jul 08 06:41PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
 
> > Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
 
> The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.
 
> Jill
 
A once a year treat.
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Jul 08 07:21PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
 
> > Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
 
> The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.
 
> Jill
 
Like Heath Bars? My English Toffee is way better! Made with cream, butter and sugar! In fact I may just go get a piece! BRB...YUM!! Yep, better than a Heath Bar! :-)
 
John Kuthe...
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 08 06:43PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 1:09:06 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> they came to North America and Chinese would have brought them to
> Hawaii.
 
> <http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/peanuts-come/#:~:text=Although%20today%20ubiquitous%20across%20the%20globe%2C%20the%20peanut,years.%20Tasty%20and%20hardy%2C%20the%20plant%20quickly%20spread>
 
I said that Hawaii and the American South have a history of boiled peanuts. Are you saying that's not true? What the heck are you saying?
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jul 08 06:55PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 8:43:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
 
> I said that Hawaii and the American South have a history of boiled peanuts. Are you saying that's not true? What the heck are you saying?
 
As far as I know, _I've_ never eaten boiled peanuts. Roasted in an oven,
yes, boiled, no. But I have heard of them long before this thread.
Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jul 08 08:52PM -0500

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:04:04 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
 
> https://i.postimg.cc/5NCq1V5T/Oil-Brush-2.jpg
 
> $3. Yours?
 
> (Hi Gary!)
 
Oh, and my Foodsaver is from a thrift store for $5. It's missing one
element (there's about 30 per inch), so I just seal, move it a cunt
hair left or right, then seal again. I usually seal twice anyway.
 
-sw
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jul 09 09:52AM +1000


>> I just proved the concept today!
 
>> John Kuthe...
 
>Lying is nothing new for you, genius.
 
You must be glad he's back, Alex.
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Jul 08 07:30PM -0500

Bruce wrote:
 
>>> John Kuthe...
 
>> Lying is nothing new for you, genius.
 
> You must be glad he's back, Alex.
 
Not as much as you Druce. <sniff>
"cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net>: Jul 08 06:48PM -0500

Sheldon Martin wrote:
 
> > then defrosted) bone in ribs but get fresh pork butt and hams.
 
> Those ribs would never sell in NY, in fact it would be illegal to sell
> once frozen pork as fresh.
 
Do you see me calling the bone in ribs fresh? My comment: Don and I
will defrost the pork ribs.
 
Now Steve 'assumes' we got them as fresh and froze them: The pork ribs
are already fresh - you just bought them.
 
We bought them frozen. Only the 'Country pork ribs' (boneless bought in
a family pack) were 'fresh' and repackaged then vacumn sealed for the
freezer.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jul 08 02:49PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
 
> The mask is designed to be breathed *through*, not around by leaving
> gaps around the nose. Thats why a soft cloth mask is better than a
> disposable 'surgical' mask.
 
Mine is/was a cloth mask. No amount of adjusting closed any gaps and on
top of that I also felt it was too tight on my ears. I hate masks, I hate
scarves, I hate hats, too.
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