Tuesday, June 16, 2020

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Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 16 09:00AM -0700


> I generally buy unsalted butter. If salted butter is on sale at an
> attractive price I will get that instead. I prefer the taste of
> unsalted.
 
I'm with yuo there. I like to control the salt content of my food and
adding salted butter can sometimes overwhelm the food for me.
 
--
Daniel
 
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Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jun 16 12:19PM -0400

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:59:09 -0400, Dave Smith
>> less salt.
 
>I generally buy unsalted butter. If salted butter is on sale at an
>attractive price I will get that instead. I prefer the taste of unsalted.
 
I've never seen a different price for salted and unsalted... perhaps
in Canada.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:21AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:09:04 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
 
> I only buy unsalted butter. And salted butter contains more salt than
> people realize, some brands close to a Tbls per pound.
 
Everyone's taste is different but unsalted butter is just like eating lard
to me. No taste at all and the amount of salt in the different butters I've
purchased is always negligible. Even when a recipe calls for unsalted butter
but then asks for x amount of salt to be added I still use salted butter. And
still use the designated amount of salt.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jun 16 12:23PM -0400

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>And add salt to everything else that uses butter.
 
>Except when I put butter on pretzels. That would just be insane.
 
>Cindy Hamilton
 
Buttering pretzels must be a sign of insanity... never seen it done.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:25AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:27:47 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
 
> Years ago, prior to refrigeration, butter was salted to lengthen its
> shelf life... with the advent of refrigeration that's no longer
> necessesary but people developed a preference for salty butter.
 
Unsalted butter left out on the counter will go rancid whereas salted butter
will not. It's not always about taste. And yes, I leave my stick of butter
in a covered dish on the counter 24/7/365. Even with central a/c the butter
is very, very soft, and no waiting for it to soften so I can use it on toast.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:26AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:00:19 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> adding salted butter can sometimes overwhelm the food for me.
 
> --
> Daniel
 
Where in the world are y'all buying this salt block butter??
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 16 09:52AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 12:23:27 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
 
> >Except when I put butter on pretzels. That would just be insane.
 
> >Cindy Hamilton
 
> Buttering pretzels must be a sign of insanity... never seen it done.
 
The list of things you have never seen done would stretch from here
to Arcturus.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 16 12:56PM -0400

On 2020-06-16 12:19 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> attractive price I will get that instead. I prefer the taste of unsalted.
 
> I've never seen a different price for salted and unsalted... perhaps
> in Canada.
 
It depends on the brand. Only some brands offer both. Every once in a
while one of them may go on sale.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 16 10:10AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 12:55:28 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > in Canada.
 
> It depends on the brand. Only some brands offer both. Every once in a
> while one of them may go on sale.
 
Hmmm. I usually buy whatever is cheapest among:
 
Store brand
Challenge
Land o' Lakes
 
They're all grade AA, they all come in both salted and unsalted, and when
they go on sale salted and unsalted are both on sale.
 
Cindy Hamilton
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 10:20AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > in Canada.
 
> It depends on the brand. Only some brands offer both. Every once in a
> while one of them may go on sale.
 
When it goes on sale here it's the buyers choice of salted or unsalted.
The brands that I've seen offer either one and they also have a full case
of both varieties. I imagine the bakers are swooping in for the unsalted
boxes while I'm diving for the salted butter.
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Jun 16 09:04AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:14:22 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
 
> > Cindy Hamilton
 
> We make our own laundry detergent . A 2 quart batch costs about 2
> bucks and lasts us about 5-6 months .
...
 
How! Recipe please?
 
John Kuthe...
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:11AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:15:00 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> > John Kuthe...
 
> If it's not about the money, then why did you complain about paying?
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
Applause!!!!
 
It's about John lights on a subject, has his mind made up and no logical
argument in this world, even those proving him wrong, will sway him.
 
In his mind, he's right, can't see the logic, and everyone else on the
planet is wrong. Never mind the liquid detergents are super concentrated
and that's why it takes so little of them to get clothes clean. He's been
told this more than once but all he can see in those bottles is water.
 
I think his job giving him four days off is a big mistake. It gives him
too much time to think up silly rants and post them. He has to hold all
that in on the job or he'll be out on his ear.
"Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: Jun 16 05:44PM +0100

"Snag" wrote in message news:rcak3m$2to$1@dont-email.me...
 
On 6/16/2020 7:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> $70. I imagine you might do more like 100 so maybe you save $23/year or
> 23 cents per load.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
We make our own laundry detergent . A 2 quart batch costs about 2
bucks and lasts us about 5-6 months .
 
Snag
Yes , I'm old
 
===
 
Please share the 'recipe'?
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 10:02AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:04:30 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> ...
 
> How! Recipe please?
 
> John Kuthe...
 
From a July 31, 2011 post:
 
The recent discussion about making your own laundry soap/detergent was
interesting to me so I gave it a try. I decided to do a dry powder
instead of a liquid because of storage space, ease of use, etc.
I looked around the Intergoogle and found plenty of recipes and this is
what I came up with:
 
2 bars Fels-naptha soap
2 cups 20 Mule Team Borax
2 cups of Washing Soda (Arm & Hammer)
 
Grate the bars of soap into a fine powder. We used an old SaladMaster
hand processor. That should give you about 4 cups.
 
Mix the shredded soap, washing soda and Borax together. We ran batches
through a food processor to grind the soap further and blend
everything really well.
 
We washed one load so far and neither of us can tell the difference
between this and the liquid detergent we have been using... but maybe
there is a cumulative effect that we can't see yet. Since we will
continue to use bleach in the whites and color-safe bleach in the
colored clothes, there might not be much difference.
 
Cost..... Bar soap is $1 each. The box of Borax was $4 and the box of
washing soda was $3. I figure the cost per load will probably be around
4 cents (approximately 2 to 3 tablespoons per load) The cost per load
for the liquid detergent we were using was about 17 to 20 cents a load.
 
With only two of us in the house, we really don't do a lot of laundry so
in the grand scheme of things, the monetary savings aren't all that
important. I am somewhat of a do-it-yourselfer and I just got curious
about this and decided to give it a try. Call it a hobby... but if I
had a bunch of kids, this would be a viable alternative.
 
# # # # # # # # # # # # #
 
From 6/01/2012
 
Grate finely 1/3 bar Fels Naptha soap into a large bowl
 
Bring almost to a boil 6 C water.
 
Add to the Fels and stir well ( I use large metal whisk).
 
Add 1/2 C washing soda and 1/2 C borax
 
Mix well again.
 
In a large bucket ( I use a cat litter bucket and this will be the
storage container), pour 4 C very hot water.
 
Add in the soap mixture from the bowl. Mix well.
 
Add 1 gallon PLUS 6 C water and stir again.
 
Let sit 24 hours. Stir occasionally - it WILL thicken.
 
Use 1/2 C per wash load. Cheap and should last months.
Snag <snag_one@msn.com>: Jun 16 12:18PM -0500

On 6/16/2020 11:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> Yes , I'm old
 
> ===
 
>   Please share the 'recipe'?
 
The instructins are at
https://www.budget101.com/do-it-yourself/3993-original-moms-super-laundry-sauce-laundry-soap-recipe/
- ya gotta follow the destructions closely or it won't work right, comes
out grainy and won't dissolve well .
My wife likes to let the fels naphtha age a month or 2 , it makes it
easier to grate it .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 16 12:31PM -0400


> Mine has a pillowtop and I also use a mattress pad and I found out on the
> lowest setting of that heater just made the bed too warm for me. I turned
> it off and even unplugged it; that was about $70 I could have saved.
 
Maybe the heater on mine didn't get as hot as yours. It was years ago.
I do know I had to replace the mattress a couple of times over the
course of 25 years. Sometimes patching just doesn't do it. I did add
the chemical treatment every year.
 
> The bed is never cold or clammy and no sloshing.
 
Never any sloshing with mine. Baffles in the mattress so it was
waveless. (Don't you have the tube type?) And yes, a soft side
waterbed so no special sheets (or wooden furniture to contain the
mattress) required. Please do wash your sheets more than... omg
whatever it was he said. LOL
 
Jill
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 10:10AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:31:36 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> mattress) required. Please do wash your sheets more than... omg
> whatever it was he said. LOL
 
> Jill
 
No, I just have the large vinyl 'mattress' but it does have the stuff
inside to help with back support. No, no tubes in mine and I have seen
those and they really discourage people from buying that type of waterbed
mattress. Each tube has to be filled individually and it's a bit hard
getting the same amount of water in each tube. I can't imagine wrestling
one of those tubes into place after filling either.
 
Rain or shine, winter or summer, the bed is stripped weekly and changed.
The rare time it has not been changed is if I'm sick and can just barely
drag myself to the bathroom and back to bed again.
"Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: Jun 16 05:07PM +0100

"Bruce" wrote in message news:ut9hefdqnom4a48604h89iodeo1qdlp3ba@4ax.com...
 
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:11:06 +0100, "Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:
 
 
> I have always lent to the Italian rather than the French. Many years
> ago
>I lived in Malta and I learned a lot about Italian food there.
 
I think it's both in the Netherlands. Italian influence on modern
cooking is quite big too. I don't think anybody cooked macaroni,
spaghetti etc before 1965. It was all potato, potato, potato.
 
===
 
That is fairly standard here too, for what I can see:))
"Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: Jun 16 05:55PM +0100

"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hkrk1uFpbv1U1@mid.individual.net...
 
On 6/16/2020 11:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
 
> Not too sure about here though:) We are a bit remote:) I would
> expect visitors to want to be in Glasgow or Edinburgh:)
 
We're far more remote than you, and if not for the pandemic, we would be
dealing with hordes of tourists. Actually, it's rather pleasant to be
able to walk down the road without constantly stepping off to the side,
to make way for caravans and motor homes - not to mention those drivers
who don't bother to learn the proper etiquette for single-track roads.
 
====
 
LOL ask me how I know!!
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:44AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:13:18 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> to be paid" sort of thing. Kuthe is working for a company, not a
> friend/neighbor.
 
> Jill
 
My favorites were the people suing the idiots they had bailed out of jail
for their money to be returned. The defendant invariably always said, "I
thought it was a gift and I shouldn't have to pay the money back."
Or "returning the money was never discussed." Yeah right, I'm sure the plaintiff just loves bailing idiots out of jail and never expect to receive
a dime back.
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:46AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:23:49 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> asked you what it was going to cost to paint their house or even a few
> rooms in their house? I find that very hard to believe.
 
> Jill
 
I find it unbelievable, too. "Go ahead and paint my house and when you're
done give me the bill and I'll gladly pay it."
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 16 12:06PM -0400

On 6/16/2020 9:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> any event, it's well up over the horizon before I can see it because
> we have many mature trees in my neighborhood.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
There are lots of extremely mature trees here, too, Cindy. Live oaks
and pine. The sun rises to the southeast of me. Even if I was awake, I
can't see it. I can't see the sunset, either, unless there's a blazing
sky after a tropical storm. I had to run across the street to the
neighbors house to take this picture of the sky looking like it was on fire:
 
https://i.postimg.cc/xT6FycYf/sunset914.jpg
 
Not everything with nature happens early in the morning :)
 
I've got wildlife around constantly. A herd of does (7 of them) walked
around in my back yard at dusk last night, foraging. Birds always drop
by to take a dip in my small bird bath.
 
There's a blue-tailed skink in the garage. No doubt finding bugs to eat
that I'd rather not have come into the house. Don't want the lizard in
the house, either. Still, there's no source of water for it so I wish
it would find its' way out when I have the garage door open.
 
Jill
"itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 16 09:38AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:06:35 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> across the street to the
> neighbors house to take this picture of the sky looking like it was on fire:
 
> https://i.postimg.cc/xT6FycYf/sunset914.jpg
 
That's the way the trees are around me, too. The Titans stadium is 2 miles
due west of me and my former co-worker can't understand why I can't see the
fireworks even though I am on a rise above the stadium. She can't understand
why it's not a clear shot to view them. Trees I keep telling her, trees. But
she doesn't understand.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 16 12:09PM -0400

On 2020-06-16 11:47 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> a half gallon is unlikely.  I don't have a problem with lactose but I
> love the long shelf life of lactose free and it does taste exactly the
> same.  I just don't think to buy it.
 
If you are drinking regular milk often enough to use it up and there is
no lactose problem you may has well stick to the regular stuff. Around
this area lactose free milk is a lot more expensive. A 2 litre csarton
of regular milk runs about $3.70 the same size in lactose free is closer
to $6. A 4 litre bag usually runs $4.29 compared to $9.99 for lactose
free. Thank goodness the Food Basics grocery us now carrying it and
selling it for about about $1 less for the 2 litre carton and $2 less
for the 4 litre size.
 
 
 
Plus, I wouldn't want to deprive
> people who are *truly* lactose intolerant.  Lactose free milk doesn't
> get nearly as much shelf space as other dairy milk or nut and grain
> "milks"... at least not yet.  It does seem to be growing in popularity.
 
In the year or so that I have been using lactose free milk they is more
and more of it. Stores that used to be the only ones who sold it have
more available and those who never used to sell it have started.
 
 
> eat for lunch at a diner.  Seems the RFC idea of adults not drinking
> milk is a fairly recent development in gastronomic history.  Or hey,
> maybe some people just don't like milk. ;)
 
I am one of those who just doesn't like to drink milk. I use it on
cereal and in lattes. About once every week or two I have a late night
hot cocoa. I just don't like the way it goes down my throat like oozing
phlegm.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jun 16 12:08PM -0400

>> around 6 cf or a bit less . The baskets are not going to be all that
>> big ...
 
>Good size for a 2 person family with occasional guests.
 
We found a chest freezer is like dumpster diving. We discovered that
two fridge freezers with top freezers most convenient. For us the
extra fridge space comes in handy for storing our crops... and the
second top freezer is just the right size for us. We don't need huge
freezer space, we'd much prefer taking advantage of the supermarket
freezers, meats are on sale all the time, and we don't buy expensive
tender cuts to freeze, freezing lowers its USDA rating 1-2 grades. In
the US frozen meat is illegal to sell as "Fresh". Only pinheads stock
up a freezer with tender steaks/roasts... markets always have a
selection on sale. The only meats I freeze are those for
stew/potroast. When I want a good steak I'll go into town and tell
the butcher what I want and cook it that day. Filling a freezer with
porterhouse and the like is the same as putting your money into a
non-interest bearing account.
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