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| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:05PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:55:09 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: > >I can't say if this generation is going to finish the work that the boomers aspired to during the civil rights movement. De-funding/disbanding the police is a fairly radical idea. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to see if it works. > Disbanding the police and then what? Survival of the fittest in the > streets? Yoose must be kidding. Everybody in the US carries a gun. Ain't nobody gonna try to pull nutting funny! |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jun 10 06:06AM +1000 On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 13:05:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote: >> Disbanding the police and then what? Survival of the fittest in the >> streets? >Yoose must be kidding. Everybody in the US carries a gun. Ain't nobody gonna try to pull nutting funny! You'd get armed gangs controlling the streets. Leaving the house would be a big risk. |
| U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Jun 09 02:09PM -0600 >White 3,005 2,509 409 >Black or African American 2,491 189 2,245 >Black lives do matter but they have to stop killing each other too! what do percentages have to do with how we treat others? |
| U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Jun 09 02:19PM -0600 >>I can't say if this generation is going to finish the work that the boomers aspired to during the civil rights movement. De-funding/disbanding the police is a fairly radical idea. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to see if it works. >Disbanding the police and then what? Survival of the fittest in the >streets? I believe that the idea is to disband a dysfunctional police department and reconfigure it with a different structure and different people. Working with a current police department has not worked, the existing structure and manpower ignored any oversight or rulings. Janet US |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:21PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:06:55 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: > >Yoose must be kidding. Everybody in the US carries a gun. Ain't nobody gonna try to pull nutting funny! > You'd get armed gangs controlling the streets. Leaving the house would > be a big risk. The forefathers of America weren't dumb. The second Amendment to our Constitution guarantees the people's right to arm bears. We can replace our police force with bands (herds?) of bears with shotguns. In this way shall the tranquility of our nation be assured. Of course, it wouldn't work in yoose town. All you got is meek and mild bears that don't ever leave their trees. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jun 10 06:29AM +1000 On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote: >> You'd get armed gangs controlling the streets. Leaving the house would >> be a big risk. >The forefathers of America weren't dumb. The second Amendment to our Constitution guarantees the people's right to arm bears. We can replace our police force with bands (herds?) of bears with shotguns. In this way shall the tranquility of our nation be assured. Of course, it wouldn't work in yoose town. All you got is meek and mild bears that don't ever leave their trees. Ok, you've been at the magic mushrooms again. I'll leave you to it. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jun 10 06:30AM +1000 On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 14:19:56 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com> wrote: >department and reconfigure it with a different structure and different >people. Working with a current police department has not worked, the >existing structure and manpower ignored any oversight or rulings. Yes, a structural change might be good. I though that by 'disbanding' they meant getting rid of police altogether. |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 09 04:39PM -0400 On 6/9/2020 3:33 PM, Boron Elgar wrote: > with no description of the person who committed the crimes are > discounted. In total, about 61 percent of the 15,696 homicides > committed in 2015 are excluded. But the number of black on black homicides is still a higher rate than any other. The facts are not racist. 13% of the population is committing a disproportionate number of murders to themselves. From your source: Black people have consistently accounted for close to half the country's homicide victims, making up more than 50 percent of the broader pool of those killed overall every year since 2010. The number of black victims increased 15 percent in 2015 over 2014. |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 09 04:42PM -0400 On 6/9/2020 4:09 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >> Black or African American 2,491 189 2,245 >> Black lives do matter but they have to stop killing each other too! > what do percentages have to do with how we treat others? Beats me, Why do a small percentage of the population tend to kill each other more than other segments? Fact is, they do. I guess they don't teat each other very well. |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:48PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:30:35 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: > >existing structure and manpower ignored any oversight or rulings. > Yes, a structural change might be good. I though that by 'disbanding' > they meant getting rid of police altogether. It means getting rid of a corrupt bad system and starting anew. Disbanding our Honolulu PD might be a good idea. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/09/this-city-disbanded-its-police-department-7-years-ago-heres-what-happened-next/ |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 09 04:59PM -0400 On 2020-06-09 2:22 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote: >> much more could be done by that movement if they encouraged their >> followers to clean up their act. > you displayed some very strong stereotypes. I displayed strong stereotypes or I referred to some unfortunate facts? > color who are housewives. doctors, teachers, window washers, office > workers, waiters, cooks, airline attendants? In other words all the > people who do not fit into your profile. My profile? I referred to the overwhelming number of murders of black men by other black men. We are talking criminals here, and it's criminals who cops have to deal with day after day after day. I know that there are well educated and hard working black people. I do not automatically associate them with the gun toting thugs who make their neighbourhoods unsafe. I said that I would be more supportive of BLM if they would rally against the black people killing other black people. > It doesn't matter, they all > are in danger of profiling and beating. Perhaps in the US. There is a long history of slavery, segregation and lynching the US. The protests have spread up here, despite the fact that the vast majority of our black population are recent immigrants. They weren't slaves here. They great grandparents were slaves here, but we constantly hear about black racism and 500 years of slavery. We get the same complaints about natives and blacks being disproportionately represented in the the courts and jails. Heaven forbid anyone would ever acknowledge that is a direct reflection of the crime in their community and the people doing it. As for profiling..... the police in Toronto and Hamilton were dealing with a lot of violent crimes, most of it involving drugs and gangs. They started a program of "carding", checking the ID of people hanging out in high crime areas. The black and native communities objected, saying that they were being profiled. After considerable debate and political interference, the police in those cities were told to stop carding. The results were almost immediate. The murder rate rose by about 50%. Despite the number of young black men being murders rising dramatically, there was not a peep from BLM about the victims in their community. |
| Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>: Jun 09 02:01PM -0700 On 6/9/2020 1:48 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> they meant getting rid of police altogether. > It means getting rid of a corrupt bad system and starting anew. Disbanding our Honolulu PD might be a good idea. > https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/09/this-city-disbanded-its-police-department-7-years-ago-heres-what-happened-next/ That "disbanding" resulted in many more police in the new department. That must have had something to do with the results. As did other changes in approach. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 09 05:08PM -0400 On 2020-06-09 3:02 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote: > White 3,005 2,509 409 > Black or African American 2,491 189 2,245 > Black lives do matter but they have to stop killing each other too! It's a pretty sad day when resorting to hard statistical data are deemed to be politically incorrect. It is not good to run one's live on a set of stereotypes, but sometimes people have to come to grips with the idea that there is often a root cause to those stereotypes. My son had to deal with racial prejudice when he lived in Africa. He once got into a fight with a black guy who hated him because he was white. Lucky for the boy that he had friends who were boxers and he knew how to fight, plus having some black friends there. The worst racism was the treatment his black staff were treated with by the Asians. It ranked up there with the images of treatment of blacks by whites in the South in the last century. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 09 05:14PM -0400 On 2020-06-09 4:09 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote: >> Black or African American 2,491 189 2,245 >> Black lives do matter but they have to stop killing each other too! > what do percentages have to do with how we treat others? It looks like it is a matter of how percentages of people treat others. |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jun 10 05:57AM +1000 On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 12:50:06 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote: >> I did not not say that there is anything wrong with anyone! >> I realize now that there are 2 different guys in Hawaii. (ds1 & Sheldon) >Why yes, one of us guys is not like the other. One of us lives in a place where the water is filthy and so is the air. One of us loves Hawaii and Hawaiians and the other hates Hawaiians. One of us uses a proper newsreader and the other doesn't. My guess is that one of us has a brain injury. :) I could follow until you brought up news readers :) |
| "Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: Jun 09 09:19PM +0100 "dsi1" wrote in message news:d6210f0b-dea0-46ad-9638-91a3ebd6d21co@googlegroups.com... On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote: > I did not not say that there is anything wrong with anyone! > I realize now that there are 2 different guys in Hawaii. (ds1 & Sheldon) Why yes, one of us guys is not like the other. One of us lives in a place where the water is filthy and so is the air. One of us loves Hawaii and Hawaiians and the other hates Hawaiians. One of us uses a proper newsreader and the other doesn't. My guess is that one of us has a brain injury. :) === Awww come on:) He doesn't know:)) If he watches you, he will know:)) |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:33PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:19:18 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > and the other doesn't. My guess is that one of us has a brain injury. :) > === > Awww come on:) He doesn't know:)) If he watches you, he will know:)) I suppose you are right. ) For breakfast, this morning, I made some Mexican chorizo with eggs. This was wrapped up in a tortilla. It was pretty tasty but you probably don't want to know what's in Mexican chorizo. 🤐 https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/IQnmPGPaQY2g4kPB-T_gXQ.d2zahHtxrYt9Sv7RWbhgpb |
| "Ophelia" <ophelia@elsinore.me.uk>: Jun 09 09:49PM +0100 "dsi1" wrote in message news:d2879795-4a9e-467c-89c0-8b261f6b51fdo@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:19:18 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > and the other doesn't. My guess is that one of us has a brain injury. :) > === > Awww come on:) He doesn't know:)) If he watches you, he will know:)) I suppose you are right. ) For breakfast, this morning, I made some Mexican chorizo with eggs. This was wrapped up in a tortilla. It was pretty tasty but you probably don't want to know what's in Mexican chorizo. 🤐 https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/IQnmPGPaQY2g4kPB-T_gXQ.d2zahHtxrYt9Sv7RWbhgpb === Ahh why do I think there might be something spicy in there???? |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:55PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/IQnmPGPaQY2g4kPB-T_gXQ.d2zahHtxrYt9Sv7RWbhgpb > === > Ahh why do I think there might be something spicy in there???? It was just a little spicy with a delightful paprika smell. Of course, I added some Sriracha to my burrito - also some cheese. |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jun 09 03:14PM -0500 On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote: >>> John Kuthe.... >> Good John! > I am having some great mentorship, which I need. You've had it here for years, but you blew it all off. -sw |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jun 09 03:35PM -0500 On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:22:28 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > people who do not fit into your profile. It doesn't matter, they all > are in danger of profiling and beating. > Janet US How about all the good and fair cops? Black or white? |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jun 09 03:41PM -0500 On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:33:03 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote: >>Black lives do matter but they have to stop killing each other too! > Sorry, fella, I do not give a shit what the numbers are, but your > conclusions are racist. Oh for fucks sake. They're not racist. Pointing out the facts and using reason and logic is not racist. That Mantra Defense needs to stop. Calling somebody a racist for that is simply a cop-out to ignore the facts - there is no correlation at all. -sw |
| Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Jun 10 06:31AM +1000 On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 15:14:00 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid> wrote: >>> Good John! >> I am having some great mentorship, which I need. >You've had it here for years, but you blew it all off. From the sadistic vultures? Surely you jest, sir. |
| Ned Ryerson <nedthehead@groundhogs.org>: Jun 09 03:29PM -0500 Top of the line Tesla Model 3 - $56,900 https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/tesla/model-3 Brand new tile roof w/Tesla solar panels - $54,700 https://www.tesla.com/solarroof/design Total cost = $110K How much is John paying Old World Roofing Company to "repair and restore" his current roof? (it's not even a new roof!) $124,674 ($113,671 + 9.68% sales tax) Door #1 New roof, new top of the line Tesla Model, 10KW Solar panel system, free electricity for the car and house, AND extra cash to burn. ---- Or ---- Door #2 A tile roof repair for $125K Hmmmm, tough call there, eh? John must be the stupidest mother fucker on Earth. |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 09 01:00PM -0700 On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:39:08 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: > >getting ready to fight? Very creepy sounds as they stand > >there yelling at each other before the battle begins. > Yes, awful. Have you ever heard a Tasmanian devil? Americans are very familiar with this creature. It moves about by spinning so fast that you can't see them. They have the ability to speak but are unable to express themselves with words. Of course, they only exist in cartoons - thank God! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StG2u5qfFRg |
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