Sunday, June 21, 2020

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 11 topics

Pamela <pamela.poster@gmail.com>: Jun 21 07:26PM +0100

On 03:59 20 Jun 2020, Mike Duffy said:
 
 
> "Put on charge for 15 minutes. Check cells for leakage or if they appear
> warm to the touch before leaving them unattended for any greater length
> of time."
 
I was specifically wondering why you feel the following advice is
"destructive and dangerous". You didn't answer the first time I asked.
 
Your sugegstion fails to equalise new cells in a battery nor does it
charge them fully as the article I quote advises.
 
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159276379900
 
================== START ================= Only the initial charge needs
be very long. After that just charge and discharge normally. This site
is authoritative:
 
"Battery manufacturers recommend that new batteries be slow-charged for
16?24 hours before use. A slow charge brings all cells in a battery
pack to an equal charge level. This is important because each cell
within the nickel-cadmium battery may have self-discharged at its own
rate. Furthermore, during long storage the electrolyte tends to
gravitate to the bottom of the cell and the initial slow charge helps
in the redistribution to eliminate dry spots on the separator.
 
Battery manufacturers do not fully format nickel- and lead-based
batteries before shipment. The cells reach optimal performance after
priming that involves several charge/discharge cycles. This is part of
normal use; it can also be done with a battery analyzer. Quality cells
are known to perform to full specifications after only 5?7 cycles;
others may take 50?100 cycles.
 
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_nickel_based_
batteries ================== END =================
Pamela <pamela.poster@gmail.com>: Jun 21 07:32PM +0100

On 04:03 20 Jun 2020, Bruce said:
>>burn in your craw for so long.
 
> Pamela's hard to talk to because he takes 4 weeks breaks between
> appearances.
 
Bruce it may surprise you but not everyone spends anything like as much
time here as you do.
 
Sometimes I wonder why your life appears so empty that it's a highlight
for you to spot new messages here and reply within a matter of minutes.
 
Take a break. Go and do something else. Don't post for a few days. Break
your addiction. Try it.
Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 21 09:49AM -0700


> I'm not into sauce either. Sometimes, I'll just put some oil on the
> dough and top with chopped garlic. I suppose that means I win the
> prize for laziest pizza.
 
There's definitely a place for pizza without sauce. I've always
preferred my hawaiian pizzas that way. It always felt like it tasted
better dry with the pineapple and processed ham. And if I"m using garlic
on the topping, I prefer a white sauce over the red. It tastes too much
like pasta sauce otherwise. I guess I'm picky.
 
> flopped down on to her chin and stuck there like napalm. She screamed
> in a panic and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I think we both
> got PTSD from that incident. I guess that's why I'm not into sauce.
 
My cat was on my lap while reading this. It gave me a hearty enough
chuckle that my cat launched off my lap and now I have several lightly
bloody pokes on my legs.
 
--
Daniel
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Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 21 09:59AM -0700

> pan makes it easy to place the pie into the oven and to remove from
> the oven, needs no corn meal or peel. And I slice the pizza right on
> the perforated pan. Gary doesn't say what is bad about it.
 
My first job out of high school was at an independent pizza shop and we
used perforated sheets. And large spatulas to remove them from the
pizza oven to the cutting table.
 
I look back at that job as one of my favorites. I'd show up around 9am
and we'd make dough, cut them to size, ball them, celo to rise.
 
Vegetables would be delivered and I'd spend hours chopping. My least
favorite chore was going from apartment complex to complex hanging
coupon sheets on door knobs.
 
As a naive 18-year old it was lost on me that it was a money laundering
operation at the same time. Those clues were pieced together years
later. Sort of fascinating now that I think about it.
 
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Daniel
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Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 21 10:01AM -0700


> Nothing bad to say about a perforated pan. Just a worthless
> new thing to buy. Any pizza I make, Homemade or store bought
> cooks just fine and the same on my solid 16" pan.
 
I have a pizza stone that was given to me. I always felt my normal
aluminum/nonstick pan works better.
 
The pizza stone works well for frozen pizza. Because I can preheat that
stone while the oven goes to temperature and I can plop the frozen thing
on it. Comes out great.
 
But when it's fresh pizza, I use that cheapy pizza pan.
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Daniel
 
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Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 21 10:28AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:14:41 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> cameras. I gave up making scratch pizza in the Navy... Sicilian style
> on huge sheet pans... was a PIA so was made rarely. We had no mozz so
> I used Swiss and Parm... no one complained.
 
Ok, so we know that you've never baked a scratch pizza where you
actually cared about how the results came out.
 
I'll keep using my pizza stone.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 21 10:31AM -0700

> cameras. I gave up making scratch pizza in the Navy... Sicilian style
> on huge sheet pans... was a PIA so was made rarely. We had no mozz so
> I used Swiss and Parm... no one complained.
 
What years did you server? Which ships? I was on USS Dubuque and Carl
Vinson. '92 - '00. I did my mess cranking on the Dubuque. Good group of
guys those MS's. Was your A school in Mississippi?
 
> expensive to buy the film, flash bulbs, and developing was
> prohibitively expensive because I still had to pay for developing the
> pictures that didn't turn out.
 
That was the norm for everyone. I'd buy my film rolls at costco whenever
I was stateside.
 
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Daniel
 
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jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 01:39PM -0400

On 6/21/2020 12:49 PM, Daniel wrote:
 
> My cat was on my lap while reading this. It gave me a hearty enough
> chuckle that my cat launched off my lap and now I have several lightly
> bloody pokes on my legs.
 
I've learned to drape an old folded bath towel over my legs when sitting
at the computer so my cat doesn't get to leave bloody pokes on my legs. :)
 
I'm with you on the not too much tomato-y sauce on pizza.
 
Jill
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 21 11:21AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 6:49:58 AM UTC-10, Daniel wrote:
 
> --
> Daniel
> Visit me at: gopher://gcpp.world
 
If I can get a nice mango, I'm going to make a mango pizza, that would be sweet - literally!
 
I have a couple of cats here that will casually walk over my keyboard as I'm typing. Why do they do this? Probably because they're evil.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jun 21 02:15PM -0400

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 10:17:40 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>
wrote:
 
>what are you achieving by substituting white chocolate for peanut
>butter chips, anyway?
 
>-sw
 
Back when I baked peanut butter cookies there were no peanut butter
chips, I added chopped and whole peanuts. I used to prefer those
Spanish peanuts with the brown skin still attached, in fact I still
prefer them, they have a more pronounced peanut flavor.
 
Way back when I worked for Barton's Bonbonaire after school as a stock
boy the white chocolate was real only I didn't like it... to me eating
white chocolate was like eating Spry... Spry was like Crisco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spry_Vegetable_Shortening
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 21 09:45AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> bitching about the past that can't be changed.
 
> And in the black community, clean up your own act then
> the police won't go so hard on you.
 
We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years trying to resolve the conflict.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 21 01:45PM -0400

On 6/21/2020 12:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
 
>> And in the black community, clean up your own act then
>> the police won't go so hard on you.
 
> My wife has a problem with Washington and Jefferson being slave owners. I don't have any particular feelings about it. Logically, she's right, of course. My guess is, that in the future, these two founding fathers are going to go down too. It might be real soon.
 
People that actually know history also know Washington freed his slaves.
They don't hold grudges against everything that happened over 200
years ago. It was never right to own slaves but it was not seen that
way at the time. Same as many other habits and traditions from the
past. We pretty much got rid of human sacrifice and cannibalism too.
 
Despite having been an active slave holder for 56 years, George
Washington struggled with the institution of slavery and spoke
frequently of his desire to end the practice. At the end of his life,
Washington made the decision to free all his slaves in his 1799 will -
the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
 
Jefferson only freed a handful but made some attempts to treat them ore
humanely.
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 21 11:05AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
 
> Jefferson only freed a handful but made some attempts to treat them ore
> humanely.
 
You're not saying anything that isn't common knowledge.
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Jun 21 11:11AM -0700

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
 
> the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
 
> Jefferson only freed a handful but made some attempts to treat them ore
> humanely.
 
 
Thank you...
 
Historical revisionism can be extended to absurd lengths, any past historical figure can be held up to scrutiny, but we have the luxury of hindsight, they did not. FDR interned the Japanese, but he led us through the Depression and WWII...Churchill was a "colonialist" and held what we now know are racist views but he led the UK and the Allied alliance through WWII...LBJ had segregationist views, but when he became POTUS he pushed through important civil rights legislation...and a million more examples.
 
My "metric" is "Did these figures leave the world a better place?"...the above examples, despite their flaws, did on - balance IMNSHO...
 
There is a current discussion on an East German history FB group I participate in, it is about the Lenin statue just erected by a far - left group in a small German town. Some on the group are defending Lenin, claiming that the Bolsheviks "despite their flaws" made the USSR into a modern nation, others say (myself among them, though I am not in the discussion anymore) that his bloody tactics led to the 100 million dead that communism/socialism are responsible for. Their are similar arguments for Stalin, that despite the purges and the millions dead by his hand, that he led the USSR to victory over the Nazis. Same arguements I've seen about Castro, etc....and there are still a few odd ducks out there who actually *defend* the building of the Berlin Wall...and so on!
 
Lenin, Castro and their ilk have NOT left the world a better place overall according to my historial metrics, so they should be condemned and not nicely commemorated...
 
Thing is, many in their "rush to historical judgement" do not know history, thus we have the present - day US "progressives" dissing Washington, Jefferson, even Lincoln. And some BLM and other activists disrespect the actions of MLK, Rosa Parks, Marian Anderson, many others...
 
I'm just sayin...
 
;-)
 
--
Best
Greg
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Jun 21 01:04PM -0500

John Kuthe wrote:
> All BOTH of them!
 
> An I can DO THIS JOB for $250/week! For 6 more years until I retire officially!
 
> Joh1n Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Future Mayor of Bel Nor MO!
 
How long did you last at the previous job? I'm thinking only a few
weeks, so well shy of the 6 years you planned.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 01:01PM -0400

On 6/21/2020 11:08 AM, Gary wrote:
 
> On his 2nd and last voyage he stopped in Hawaii again and was
> a real dick and evil to the Hawaiians. They had every right
> to kill him. He really deserved to die there.
 
Quite coincidentally, I just saw an old episode of 'Antiques Roadshow'
taped in Honolulu that included a rare print depicting the murder of
Captain Cook.
 
Jill
notbob <notbob@nothome.com>: Jun 21 05:31PM


> 4-5 slices of bacon

I like the idea of "bacon". I'll try it, next time. ;)
 
I WILL put it on low heat after 4 hrs. though.
 
I found another smaller bottle of Baby Ray's bbq sauce. Half full,
but added some beer (Coors Banquet) and ketchup. Also added some
pwdrd garlic, sweet ginger, and red ppr. Got some WW house brand
slider buns (not as good as King Hawaiin).
 
Got NO liquid smoke but wouldn't use that much, anyway (unless it was
waaaaay better than the bottle I threw away. Like the "stove pipe" anology).
 
The last batch turned out, OK, but had potato salad and cole slaw to
go with it. Only got some fresh grn onions and hummus, this time.
 
Oh, and quinoa ain't bad, either. Better'n "rice". ;)
 
nb
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jun 21 10:32AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 1:10:59 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
 
> ===
 
> You were raised there??? Wow you were very lucky. I won't even try to
> describe where I was raised:)))
 
It was a nice place back in the day. They did nice little town things like an annual picnic. They still do a 4th of July parade and fireworks show. OTOH, things have changed. The beach is about half as wide as it used to be in the 60's and Kailua has turned into tourist town. A lot of people are liking it because there's money to be made. As we all know, money changes everything.
 
I live in Kaneohe now. I don't much like going to Kailua anymore. Too much tourists.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 01:23PM -0400

On 6/21/2020 11:36 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> time I've ever eaten crab was some 50 years ago at an all the Alaskan
> king crab you can eat for $5.99 at Red Lobster... first arrived a bowl
> of hush puppies to take away people's appetite.
 
Well... the message source indicates it was posted by Penmart01@aol.com.
 
Red Lobster first opened about 52 years ago in Lakeland, FL. What were
you doing in Florida in 1968?
 
Jill
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 01:31PM -0400

On 6/21/2020 9:00 AM, Gary wrote:
 
> I agree with you on both counts. Some of those Lipton sides are
> good and some not so good. With the broccoli ones, I'll add
> some extra frozen broccoli.
 
Ditto!
 
> And yes, Jill, your dinner looks good to me too. How was that
> canned turnip greens?
 
The canned turnip greens were fine. :) Yes, I could go out and buy a
bunch of greens and cook them myself (with a bit of white vinegar) but
even a huge bunch cooks down to nothing. With the canned I don't have
to wash each leaf to get the sand out and then cut out the tough stems.
Canned is easier and tastes good.
 
Jill
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 01:14PM -0400

On 6/13/2020 6:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> I doubt it really was Julie. Probably some RFC troublemaker
> using her name.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
I can't see Julie getting worked up enough about a post to Usenet to
bother calling the cops on Kuthe. At any rate, it's his own damn fault
for constantly posting his address here when he goes off on his stupid
tangents.
 
Jill
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Jun 21 12:49PM -0400

On 6/20/2020 6:45 PM, Snag wrote:
 
>> Jill
 
>   And in those cases they go after the driver . Re-read my last
> sentence ...
 
My bad! Doesn't always work going after the driver, though. My nephew,
who was about 21 at the time and still living with his dad, was riding
his bicycle on a suburban sidewalk when he got hit by a drunk who was
driving a beat up old pickup truck. (The truck jumped the curb and
wound up in someone's front yard.) The guy had no drivers license, much
less insurance. The guy didn't have a pot to piss in. He went to jail
but my brother had to fork out the money to pay for nephew's extensive
medical bills. :(
 
Jill
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Jun 21 09:55AM -0700

On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 9:45:37 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
 
> > Because Youtube thinks WinXP went away, but it never did!
 
> > John Kuthe...
 
> There's no point in having a good system for YouTube music.
 
I also have a AudioTechica Pro turntable and a Sony 200 CD changer into the McIntosh preamp, so I have several quality audio sources! And since my Toughbook laptop downstairs is running WinXP, Youtubes can play ad infinitum as Youtube thinks WinXP went away! But it didn't!
 
John Kuthe...
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 21 09:46AM -0700

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:02:02 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
 
> > <https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/07/basic-new-york-style-pizza-dough.html>
 
> > I made a half batch since it's an experiment.
 
> Hope it works out really well for you!
 
It worked out beautifully. The dough was a little difficult to
form since it was so soft and wet, but it baked up like a dream.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com>: Jun 21 09:40AM -0700

>> proofreading/edits, went to my favorite bar for a beer and cigar. So
>> busy.
 
> Hopefully it was a cigar bar. Do you live in/near Louisville?
 
No, just a cigar friendly bar. The owners built a nice outdoor smoking
area with a flat screen that drops from the ceiling, high tech misters
for temperature control... They were there smoking cigars with me so it
was good company.
 
I live near Sacramento, CA.
 
--
Daniel
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