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| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jul 31 07:38AM -0500 On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They > do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million > cans a day. Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that? I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now. > 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week. Why don't they use fresh beans? It looks like beans are mostly dried in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in something else in the meantime. There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then rehydrating beans at the processing plants. I'm sure there's culinary and economical reasons for not doing this, I'm just curious what it is. Green peas, for example, don't go through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously dried. OTOH, if fresh peanuts vs. dried and roasted are any example of culinary benefit of drying first, I'll take the dried ones 101% of the time. Fresh peanuts are ass. > If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or > be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory. Since my cable was cut (literally, 2 feet short so I couldn't hook myself up illegally again) I found it as a torrent at: https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=36334436 Downloading now.... -sw |
| Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>: Jul 31 05:40AM -0700 On 7/31/2020 5:38 AM, Sqwertz wrote: > I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now. >> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week. > Why don't they use fresh beans? They probably run the factory 365 days per year. |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jul 31 11:33AM -0500 On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 05:40:37 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: >>> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week. >> Why don't they use fresh beans? > They probably run the factory 365 days per year. Yeah, I thought about that. But pickle factories pump out jarred fresh-pack pickles, canned mushy peas (from fresh), and spotted dicks all year long(*), too. That UK plant's output is only 60% beans, not just their baked beans. So they're also canning other stuff year round (probably mushy peas!). The video often hints and glosses over other products coming out of that same factory. I'm sure it's seasonal - but with baked beans occupying 4 production days out of every week. It's not like canned beans are going to go bad in 8 months, let along 18. Libby's doesn't let their pumpkin canning lines go dormant for 10 months out of the year. It's all canned in 2 months and then they move onto other things. I suspect it's a culinary/taste thing. The beans probably don't taste the same before being - not unlike fresh vs. dried chiles and peas. The spinning retorts were interesting. Spining makes a lot fo sense for 15oz (and bigger) cans. But every time I see retorts I think about that poor guy that got trapped in a tuna canning retort (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bumble-bee-foods-2-managers-charged-death-man-cooked-tuna-n349641) Now imagine if that tuna retort spun, too (tuna doesn't need spun since they're in small squat cans). And the laser-picker-rejecter thing was going awfully fast - I'm interested in the technical/mechanical aspect of how those defective beans were picked out the crowd. I know McDonald's shoots fries off a conveyor belt with robotic air blasts, but those beans were traveling at 60MPH 3 layers deep by a meter wide. That's some serious computing power doing pattern recognition and whatever plucks them out of that stream. I have to admit that the baked beans I've been eating lately (3x this week) have all been perfect. (*) I'm not sure when spotted dicks are in season. That's more Gregory's expertise. -sw |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:49AM -0700 On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 4:08:04 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > are added. Beans are cooked in the can using rotary steam cookers. > If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or > be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory. The Brits are truly into canned beans. https://sfae.com/ECommerceSite/files/b4/b42324fa-827f-4bcf-8630-dea5e2d3dd99.jpg |
| songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jul 31 12:06PM -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: ... > Each bean is inspected by lasers and split beans or pebbles are rejected > but not wasted. They become fertilizer. they make excellent worm food. :) there has been a big advance in sorting equipment the past 30yrs. now a lot of processors use optical sorting. > are added. Beans are cooked in the can using rotary steam cookers. > If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or > be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory. thanks! i won't be able to watch it until someone puts it on youtube, but i watch a lot of vids on processes if i can find them. something about glass making and recycling always appeals to me. songbird |
| songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jul 31 12:04PM -0400 Sqwertz wrote: > in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from > that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in > something else in the meantime. old habits die hard. what you have the equipment for may limit what you can do. that is the problem around here a lot of farmers have equipment for soybeans and/or corn but not much else also there aren't places that will process and ship other strange items so you have to figure out the whole supply chain and find someone who will take what you grow. let alone finding people who will pick it if it is a fresh item that needs hands on workers. > There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then > rehydrating beans at the processing plants. shipping cool water around (which is what fresh vegetable shipping basically is) is not cheap. dried stuff ships and stores much easier. > through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a > fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously > dried. storage and transportation issues. to use fresh produce takes a lot more expense and more careful handling. if you don't keep fresh stuff cold enough it will start to ferment. > OTOH, if fresh peanuts vs. dried and roasted are any example of > culinary benefit of drying first, I'll take the dried ones 101% of > the time. Fresh peanuts are ass. some beans are really good as shellies (fresh from the pod while still tender and not hard). other beans are only edible when dried and cooked. also, note, some beans must be cooked at certain temperatures to neutralize poisons. something that people who use low heat on slow cookers can find out in a rather rude way. >> If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or >> be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory. i like shows like this. i watch anything on recycling i can find because i find the process of how they sort things out interesting. how they figure out what is what. songbird |
| Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jul 31 10:48AM -0400 Rosses goose took charge of the Canada geese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross%27s_goose My neighbor's hay bales: https://postimg.cc/gallery/HspsyhQ |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jul 31 12:11PM -0400 On 2020-07-31 10:48 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross%27s_goose > My neighbor's hay bales: > https://postimg.cc/gallery/HspsyhQ I wish my friend's family had had a baler like that back in the mid 60s when I used to go an spend time there and help them bring in the hay. We were start off in the cool of the morning and pick up the bales and toss them onto the wagon.As the wagon filled we had to toss them higher and higher. When the wagon was full we would take it to the barn, climb up and toss the balls down. As the day went on it got hotter and hotter, and dustier. The bales were stack so high in the mow that we had to toss them up even from the full wagon, so by the time we got to the wagon deck they were going way up and to the far end. By the time we were done we had muscles in our turds. So much easier now. Even the smallest farms have big bales and front end loads so they never have to chunk a bale by hand. |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jul 31 11:38AM -0500 On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:48:02 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross%27s_goose > My neighbor's hay bales: > https://postimg.cc/gallery/HspsyhQ Rather than spending $6K on your tractor, why not be sustainable and let your front and back 40 hay and bail it? And make some $$$ of it it rather than paying to maintain it? And why was your neighbors hay bailed in your yard? -sw |
| Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Jul 31 11:53AM -0500 On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:38:55 -0500, Sqwertz wrote: > Rather than spending $6K on your tractor, why not be sustainable and > let your front and back 40 hay and bail it? And make some $$$ of it > it rather than paying to maintain it? It looks like your back 40 is about 3/4 the size of the land he just bailed. Maybe not your front 40, but your back 40 for hay seems like a no-brainer. https://i.postimg.cc/SRdFg06G/Greenville-Hay.jpg > And why was your neighbors hay bailed in your yard? I see why now. -sw |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 05:56AM -0700 On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: > > You also can use Doritos as fire starters. > > Cindy Hamilton > My DNA is perfectly fine. The reality is that people that can cross drink the fluids intended for another species with no ill effects are "mutants." Mutants that provide an evolutionary advantage by increasing the variety of foods we can ingest to obtain vital nutrients. Cindy Hamilton |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 06:02AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 12:30:44 AM UTC-4, Leo wrote: > > an Outshine fruit bar. Lime, lemon, raspberry, strawberry. > Nah. Tangerine and Pomegranate. I have a partial box of each in the freezer. > leo To each their own. I get the assortments and my husband eats the tangerine ones. I eat the lime, and we divide the red ones. Cindy Hamilton |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:06AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 2:56:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > Mutants that provide an evolutionary advantage by increasing the variety > of foods we can ingest to obtain vital nutrients. > Cindy Hamilton Yup, yoose guys can't survive without ice cream and whipped cream. Now all ya'alls better start working on being able to digest gluten and fat. |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 09:46AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 12:06:29 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: > > of foods we can ingest to obtain vital nutrients. > > Cindy Hamilton > Yup, yoose guys can't survive without ice cream and whipped cream. Now all ya'alls better start working on being able to digest gluten and fat. Not all of us need to work on it. Cindy Hamilton |
| lenona321@yahoo.com: Jul 31 09:37AM -0700 I have The Shaker Cookbook: Recipes and Lore from the Valley of God's Pleasure, by Piercy and Tolve, 1981. This morning, since it wasn't too hot to make baking intolerable, I decided to bake the "Maple Sugar Cake." 1/2 cup sweet butter 1 1/2 cups packed brown sugar 1 tsp. maple flavoring 2 eggs 1/2 tsp. salt 1 tsp. baking soda 1 tsp. cinnamon 1/2 tsp. nutmeg 2 1/2 cups flour 1 1/2 cups unsweetened applesauce 1 cup raisins, lightly floured 1 cup chopped nuts When you add that up (you sift the dry ingredients separately, several times) it's clear you need a BIG mixing bowl, since the total is over 8 1/2 cups. The problem? It said to pour the batter into a greased 9" x 5" loaf tin or a 9" x 9" pan. My brownie tins are all 8" x 8", so I used the deep loaf tin instead. It said that in that case, it would only take 1 hour, at 350 degrees. Fat chance. It took TWO hours! (No, the recipe did not say to use two loaf tins.) Next time, I'll use my glass 8" x 12" dish. I just might reduce the sugar by half a cup as well. (I swear, too many loaf-cakes taste too similar unless you DO reduce the sugar - especially those that include nuts and raisins.) Btw, I described a similar stumbling block in my 2018 thread - "Desserts - a tip on sugar use." https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en#!searchin/rec.food.cooking/Sheila$20sugar/rec.food.cooking/hkhQVdmyUSs Lenona. |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:32AM -0700 > I remember in Texas in the '70s, there used to be a place in Virginia called the Red Barn and in Texas (near the old Astrodome) there was a place called The Brisket House. Are there any good places where you are? I knew a Hawaiian man that used to raise pigs. He also grew taro and had a prawn farm up in the mountains. That guy was brilliant! He had some service that provided pigs and dug imus for parties. He told me that his imu roasted pigs were pretty good but his really good stuff was suckling pig roasted on a spit. That's what he made for himself and friends. Conversations with him were enjoyable and enlightening. What could be better? |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:10AM -0700 On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:44:43 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote: > > My guess is that you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. Hawaiian blanket statement. > Druce is as full of shit as possible. LOL > But yoose also full of island shit. You aspire to be an ass-sniffing stalker - that's so creepy. |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:15AM -0700 On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:11:53 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com That stuff in the middle is asparagus spears wrapped with bacon. It had pine nuts in it and was cooked in some kind of Euro-style that I don't know about. I thought it was just grand. I liked her mashed potatoes. She makes better mashed potatoes than anybody else on this rock. Mashed potatoes like that is a heck of a treat. |
| Lucretia Borgia <lucretiaborgia@fl.it>: Jul 31 09:34AM -0300 >I do always frown on relatives talking dirt about someone >in the family though, just to cash in on their fame. >I would take her book with "a grain of salt." I don't think she is cashing in particularly, more that she has long had resentment for the treatment of her father, which was abysmal. |
| Janet <nobody@home.org>: Jul 31 01:35PM +0100 In article <gls7if10n026lbmsgi5msi9cl224ouncop@4ax.com>, lucretiaborgia@fl.it says... > >>she doesn't own a dictionary. > >So what does it mean? > You're brown nosing again - look that one up! Surely everyone here knows that troll-puppet Bruce and Ophelia work hand in glove (or somewhere far less sanitary) Janet UK |
| graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Jul 31 06:39AM -0600 On 2020-07-31 4:33 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote: >> that you, the Average American, says that! > Mr Trump is thinking of delaying the elections due to Covid, he > pictures himself as a copy of Robert Mugabe. He's never heard of him! |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 06:16AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote: > >that you, the Average American, says that! > Mr Trump is thinking of delaying the elections due to Covid, he > pictures himself as a copy of Robert Mugabe. However, the Republican establishment has told him he can't do that. Really, the man tweets anything that pops into his little pea brain. In practical terms, even if he simply tried to persuade governors to delay the election, the Democratic governors would tell him to get bent and the Republican governors would see that some states were having elections and would have no choice but to follow suit. Cindy Hamilton |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 06:18AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:50:06 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > I think it should be someone who Americans would trust to take over > from Biden, if need be. On the other hand, they trusted Trump as > president, so the bar is low. Not the same Americans in the two cases. Two almost entirely separate groups. > mainly about her father (Trump's older brother). Not that interesting > to me. Then it starts to focus more on Trump and what an asshole, > sociopath and bad business man he is. That's the halfway point. Trump will win those debates only in the minds of his most partisan supporters. Cindy Hamilton |
| dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jul 31 09:01AM -0700 On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 1:05:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote: > I do always frown on relatives talking dirt about someone > in the family though, just to cash in on their fame. > I would take her book with "a grain of salt." Family member dishing out the dirt on their family ain't too cool. OTOH, I don't need no stinkin' book to know something's seriously wrong. He idolizes Kim Jong Un. I mean, what American idolizes Uncle Un? The prez of the United State gushes unabashedly like a teenage girl about KJU. That's just creepy anyway you look at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM1V6Urs8V0 |
| Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jul 31 08:51AM -0400 On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 05:05:44 -0700, Taxed and Spent >> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 3:59:23 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote: >>> 4+lbs of dried beans, I soak then change water and cook a bit to desired "bean bite" test (I like Al Dente) then strain beans in cook pot and add enough water to make a nice sauce >>> 4-7 red onions chopped How can you not remember how many onions and their size... a normal recipe would indicate how many cups chopped onions. And why red onions, they cost more and when cooked the red color disappears. Baked beams is a perfect instance to use dehy onions, after all the beans are dehys... as are all the other ingredients... garlic bulbs are dried, so are onions dried. Rather than playing with dried beans that's the perfect recipe for #10 cans of beans. |
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