Thursday, August 6, 2020

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Aug 06 06:10PM

I get bulk water delivered to my home from Sparkletts. Tenk refill almost
two weeks late. No answer at either 800 number. No answer to two USPS
letters or an email.
 
Do you get bulk water? Still coming? I'm afraid COVID put my water supplier
out of business. No problems mentioned though on Google or at their web
site.
 
TIA
 
 
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I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.
Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Aug 06 01:24PM -0500

On 6 Aug 2020 18:10:43 GMT, KenK wrote:
 
 
> Do you get bulk water? Still coming? I'm afraid COVID put my water supplier
> out of business. No problems mentioned though on Google or at their web
> site.
 
Have you tried calling their parent company, DS Waters at
800-201-6218.
Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Aug 06 01:27PM -0500

On 6 Aug 2020 18:10:43 GMT, KenK wrote:
 
> out of business. No problems mentioned though on Google or at their web
> site.
 
> TIA
 
Looks like they've switched to contactless water delivery. You put
your empties out onto the porch and they swap them out. Have you
looked on your porch lately? Otherwise, there's this:
 
https://www.water.com/covid-19-faqs
 
-sw
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Aug 06 12:26PM -0500

Je�us wrote:
> wrote:
 
>> In the future
 
> LOL. I just knew it.
 
In the future, my guess is ... on the other hand ...
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Aug 06 11:27AM -0700

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
 
> >> In the future
 
> > LOL. I just knew it.
 
> In the future, my guess is ... on the other hand ...
 
Yoose whiny white boys love to tell Asians how to do stuff and what to think. My guess is that you're barking up the wrong tree. In the future, try sniffing your own ass. OTOH, wait... there is no other hand.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:14AM -0700

I finally tried kimchee fried rice. I was underwhelmed. It confirmed my
suspicion that I prefer kimchee cold and on the side like a salad.
 
Well, that's one more off my bucket list.
 
Cindy Hamilton
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Aug 06 10:41AM -0700

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> I finally tried kimchee fried rice. I was underwhelmed. It confirmed my
> suspicion that I prefer kimchee cold and on the side like a salad.
 
> Well, that's one more off my bucket list.
 
 
I experimented using it in a brown rice noodle stir - fry...it was okay, but it distracted from the other flavors...I too prefer it on the side, and cool...
 
--
Best
Greg
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Aug 06 11:21AM -0700

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:14:11 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> suspicion that I prefer kimchee cold and on the side like a salad.
 
> Well, that's one more off my bucket list.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
My guess is that KFR is not very good on the mainland because people don't care about kim chee or fried rice. On this rock, it's the bomb. I love the freaking stuff.
 
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/q5fT3HDWTQqMnYxtR0m9og.hTHYabigg5YT6tadvUKXxq
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Aug 06 09:57AM -0700

For LUNCH! :-)
 
And I just visited Long Acre Farms stand and spent $43.45 on fruits and vegetables! :-)
 
John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Aug 06 12:39PM -0500

John Kuthe wrote:
> For LUNCH! :-)
 
> And I just visited Long Acre Farms stand and spent $43.45 on fruits and vegetables! :-)
 
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian
 
I ate a bowl of cheerios.
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Aug 06 12:28PM -0500

Sheldon Martin wrote:
 
>> How are you reheating it?
 
> I don't reheat leftover beef, I slice it thin and add it to a salad,
> or use it in a sandwich.
 
Or throw it out yoose window!
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Aug 06 07:44AM -0700

On Thursday, 6 August 2020 07:08:47 UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
 
> https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/nation-world/hiroshima-75th-anniversary-first-atomic-attack/507-28facc92-fa63-4bf8-9323-7acc8564eaab
 
> :-(
 
> John Kuthe...
 
 
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/our-annual-august-debate-over-the-bombs/
 
Our Annual August Debate over the Bombs
 
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
 
August 6, 2020 6:30 AM
 
It was a terrible choice among even worse alternatives.
 
"This month marks the 75th anniversary of the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan, at Hiroshima on August 6, and Nagasaki on August 9.
 
Each year, Americans argue about our supposed moral shortcomings for being the only nation to have used an atomic weapon in war.
 
Given the current cultural revolution that topples statues, renames institutions, cancels out the supposedly politically incorrect, and wages war on America's past, we will hear numerous attacks on the decision of Democratic president Harry Truman to use the two terrible weapons.
 
But what were the alternatives that Truman faced had he not dropped the bombs that precipitated Japan's agreement to surrender less than a week after the bombing of Nagasaki and formally on September 2?
 
One, Truman could have allowed Japan's wounded military government to stop the killing and stay in power. But the Japanese had already killed more than 10 million Chinese civilians since 1931, and perhaps another 4 million to 5 million Pacific Islanders, Southeast Asians, and members of the Allied Forces since 1940.
 
A mere armistice rather than unconditional surrender would have meant the Pacific War had been fought in vain. Japan's Fascist government likely would have regrouped in a few years to try it again on more favorable terms.
 
Two, Truman could have postponed the use of the new bombs and invaded Japan over the ensuing year. The planned assault was scheduled to begin on the island of Kyushu in November 1945, and in early 1946 would have expanded to the main island of Honshu. Yet Japan had millions of soldiers at home with fortifications, planes, and artillery, waiting for the assault.
 
The fighting in Japan would have made the prior three-month bloodbath at Okinawa, which formally ended just six weeks before Hiroshima, seem like child's play. The disaster at Okinawa cost the U.S. 50,000 casualties and 32 ships — the worst battle losses the American Navy suffered in the war. More than 250,000 Okinawans and Japanese soldiers were killed as well.
 
Just the street fighting to recapture Manilla in the Philippines in early 1945 cost a quarter-million Filipino, Allied, and Japanese lives.
 
Three, the U.S. could have held off on using the bomb, postponed the invasion, and simply kept firebombing Japan with its huge fleet of B-29 bombers. The planes soon would have been reinforced with thousands more American and British bombers freed from the end of World War II in Europe.
 
The napalming of Tokyo had already taken some 100,000 lives. With huge new Allied bomber fleets of 5,000 or more planes based on nearby Okinawa, the Japanese death toll would have soared to near a million.
 
Four, the U.S. might have played rope-a-dope, stood down, and let the Soviet Red Army overrun China, Korea, and Japan itself — in the same fashion that the Russians months earlier had absorbed eastern Germany, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe.
 
But the Soviet occupation of North Korea alone led only to more war in 1950. Had the Soviets grabbed more Japanese-occupied territory, more Communist totalitarianism and conflict probably would have ensued, with no chance of a free and democratic post-war Japan.
 
Five, Truman could have dropped a demonstration bomb or two in Tokyo Bay to warn the Japanese government of their country's certain destruction if it continued the war.
 
But there was no guarantee that the novel weapons, especially the untested plutonium bomb, would work. A dud bomb or an unimpressive detonation at sea might have only emboldened the Japanese to continue the war.
 
There were likely only three bombs ready in August. It was not clear when more would be available. So real worries arose that the Japanese might be unimpressed, ignore the warning, and ride out the future attacks in hopes that there were few additional bombs left.
 
In the cruel logic of existential war, demonstrating rather than using a new weapon can convey to autocratic belligerents hesitancy seen as weakness to be manipulated, rather than as magnanimity to be reciprocated.
 
By August 1945, six years after the start of World War II in Europe, some 70 million had died, including some 10 million killed by the Japanese military. Millions more starved throughout Asia and China owing to the destruction and famine unleashed by Japan — a brutal military empowered by millions of skilled civilian industrial workers.
 
To Americans and most of the world 75 years ago, each day in early August 1945 that the Japanese war machine continued its work meant that thousands of Asian civilians and Allied soldiers would die.
 
In the terrible arithmetic of World War II, the idea that such a nightmare might end in a day or two was seen as saving millions of lives rather than gratuitously incinerating tens of thousands.
 
It was in that bleak context that Harry Truman dropped the two bombs — opting for a terrible choice among even worse alternatives..."
 
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© 2020 Tribune Content Agency, LLC
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Aug 06 08:19AM -0700

John Kuthe wrote:
 
> https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/nation-world/hiroshima-75th-anniversary-first-atomic-attack/507-28facc92-fa63-4bf8-9323-7acc8564eaab
 
> :-(
 
> John Kuthe...
 
 
From John's link above:
 
"...U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said there is nothing in between.
 
"The only way to totally eliminate nuclear risk is to totally eliminate nuclear weapons," he said in his video message from New York for the occasion.
 
"Seventy-five years is far too long not to have learned that the possession of nuclear weapons diminishes, rather than reinforces, security," he said. "Today, a world without nuclear weapons seems to be slipping further from our grasp..."
 
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BTW the only US leader whose goal was to *totally* eliminate nuclear weapons worldwide was Ronald Reagan. He had such an abhorrence of nuclear war (and especially the concept of "MAD aka Mutually Assured Destruction" which he described as "appalling") that in one National Security meeting, he said that he would be very reluctant to retaliate even in the case of a Soviet nuclear first strike on the US - some of his advisors thought he was nuts, basically...
 
More here:
 
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100378/ronald-reagan-and-his-quest-to-abolish-nuclear-weapons-by-paul-lettow/
 
ABOUT RONALD REAGAN AND HIS QUEST TO ABOLISH NUCLEAR WEAPONS
 
"In Ronald Reagan and His Quest to Abolish Nuclear Weapons, Paul Lettow explores the depth and sophistication of President Ronald Reagan's commitment to ridding humankind permanently of the threat of nuclear war.
Lettow's narrative spans the start of Reagan's presidency and the 1986 Reykjavík summit between Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, during which America's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was a defining issue. Lettow reveals SDI for what it was: a full-on assault against nuclear weapons waged as much through policy as through ideology. While cabinet members and advisers played significant roles in guiding American defense policy, it was Reagan himself who presided over every element, large and small, of this paradigm shift in U.S. diplomacy.
 
Lettow conducted interviews with several former Reagan administration officials, and he draws upon the vast body of declassified security documents from the Reagan presidency; much of what he quotes from these documents appears publicly here for the first time. The result is the first major work to apply such evidence to the study of SDI and superpower diplomacy. This is a survey that doesn't merely add nuance to the existing record, but revises our
very understanding of the Reagan presidency..."
 
 
Excerpt:
 
"...it will be shown that Reagan never abandoned his hatred of nuclear weapons and his desire to eliminate them. Reagan's "dream"—as he himself described it—was "a world free of nuclear weapons." "[F]or the eight years I was president," he wrote in his memoirs, "I never let my dream of a nuclear-free world fade from my mind."Reagan pursued that dream as a personal religious mission...
 
Despite overwhelming primary and interview-based evidence, historians and international relations scholars have thus far neglected to investigate the impact of Reagan's nuclear abolitionism on his presidency. In fact, the impact of that "dream" was direct and significant. For example, Reagan's nuclear abolitionism contributed greatly to his determination to engage in a U.S. arms buildup that he believed the USSR could neither afford economically nor keep up with technologically; he intended that the Soviets would thus be forced to agree to vast reductions in the two countries' stockpiles of nuclear arms. It led to SDI, one of the most important and least understood of Reagan's Cold War policies. To Reagan, SDI served as a catalyst for—the enabler of—his "world free of nuclear weapons." Reagan's nuclear abolitionism also pervaded his administration's approach to arms control, and his interactions with Soviet leaders..."
 
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Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:12AM -0700

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:44:48 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
 
> > :-(
 
> > John Kuthe...
 
> https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/our-annual-august-debate-over-the-bombs/
 
I kind of wish you hadn't replied. I was looking forward to Kuthe having
a shit fit when nobody responded.
 
Ah, well. I'll have to get my sick jollies somewhere else.
 
Cindy Hamilton
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Aug 06 10:23AM -0700

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
 
> I kind of wish you hadn't replied. I was looking forward to Kuthe having
> a shit fit when nobody responded.
 
> Ah, well. I'll have to get my sick jollies somewhere else.
 
 
My apologies to you, Cindy... ;-)
 
I promise I will not respond to his most recent "I spent $40.00 on produce...!!!" post...I will leave that honor to Steve or somebody...
 
Lol...
 
--
Best
Greg
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:25AM -0700

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 1:24:00 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
 
> My apologies to you, Cindy... ;-)
 
> I promise I will not respond to his most recent "I spent $40.00 on produce...!!!" post...I will leave that honor to Steve or somebody...
 
> Lol...
 
Heh. Good one.
 
Cindy
Hank Rogers <Nospam@invalid.com>: Aug 06 12:23PM -0500

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> Hah! Slacker. I got a new bale of TP from the basement and put
> it in the hall closet.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
I knew you were one of them hoarders! :)
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Aug 06 09:18AM -0400

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 Dave Smith wrote:
>lettuce) and it her attitude changed just a little.
 
>We both hated parsnips but discovered that they are delicious when
>roasted. However, they are still awful when boiled.
 
We both like beets and prefer canned only because they're quick and
there's no messy preparation... we buy them by the case and there's
always a few cans in the fridge for salads. We like beet tops/greens
too but those are not easy to find so instead we grow Swiss chard, a
very prolific crop, similar in taste to spinach but far easier to grow
and prep, not all that sand like with spinach. There are also several
varieties of chard; different color stems. Chard is good raw or
cooked, same as spinach. Chard is botanically the same plant as beets
but doesn't form that bulbous root. Beet tops are hard to find at
market because once beets are harvested the tops wilt within a couple
days and beets don't ship well with their tops attached so most
farmers feed the tops to their live stock.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Aug 06 01:16PM -0400

On 8/5/2020 10:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
> husband was away on business for a month or so. I cooked less and I
> cooked differently, but I still cooked.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
Cooking different is key. I don't cook every day but do plan ahead.
Some is for a day or two later, other portions are frozen. these days
going out is near impossible but I'd rather eat at home anyway.
Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>: Aug 06 11:50AM -0500

On Thu, 06 Aug 2020 17:35:39 +1000, Je₭us wrote:
 
>>goes up into the soffit. His power main is down on the left of your
>>circle.
 
> Yeah, so an old phone line... thanks again.
 
The phone line is (was) wrapped around the tension wire. Seeing how
the tension wire isn't used anymore, I'd unscrew it from the house
and drag it over the poled and cut out off. Less visual pollution.
And less wire for the birds to hang out upon.
 
Many of the wires running between poles aren't even used anymore.
Vietnam, especially, is infamous for this:
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=vietnam+wires+hanging+from+telephone+poles
 
-sw
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Aug 06 11:05AM -0400

On 2020-08-06 3:46 a.m., Leo wrote:
> similar to Limburger. Has anyone here eaten durian, Limburger and month-old
> carrion as a meal? Or merely two of those at the same time?
> I thought not.
 
I had one experience with Limburger and that was enough. A friend was
eating cheeses from a Christmas basket. He cut off a piece and handed to
me saying to try it. As I popped it into my mouth he had a strange look
on his face. I asked him what was wrong. As soon as I spoke I realized
what the problem was. It was the stink of the cheese we could smell when
we spoke. It was horrible.
Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>: Aug 06 08:11AM -0700

On 8/6/2020 8:05 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> on his face. I asked him what was wrong. As soon as I spoke I realized
> what the problem was. It was the stink of the cheese we could smell when
> we spoke. It was horrible.
 
Sounds like just what we need these days, what with social distancing
and all.
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Aug 06 07:46AM -0700

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
 
> lettuce lined bowl and garnish with anchovies and olives.
> Serves 12
 
> Janet US
 
 
Thank you, Janet, this gives me some new salad ideas...!!!
 
:-)
 
--
Best
Greg
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Aug 06 09:34AM -0400

On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:24:32 -0700, Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
 
 
>Coors should have gone out of his way to introduce himself to me! I once was
>his company's biggest customer. Every company wants their biggest former
>customer back ;)
 
I was a beer drinker when it was shipped to taverns refrigerated in
wooden barrels. While still in a high chair my grandfather would give
me shot glasses of beer from his wooden growler... first words I spoke
was "more beer". Tap beer no longer exists, those aluminum kegs are
filled with swill/pissvasser.
aroossynagamat@gmail.com: Aug 06 06:23AM -0700

I have a relatively thin green faux marble round piece laying around and I was wondering if I could use it as a pizza stone in my gas oven XD
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