Sunday, January 17, 2021

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 8 topics

Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 17 11:35AM -0500

On 2021-01-17 11:09 a.m., Graham wrote:
>> on me and telling me they taste just like meat. They don't taste as much
>> like meat as meat does.
 
> Yet I would wager that veggies decry the consumption of processed foods.
 
Funny how that works. My friend and his wife don't eat much meat. When
that new vegetable based faux meat was being flogged last year they were
going to try it. However, they looked at the ingredient list and were
appalled at the chemical content.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jan 17 09:10AM -0800

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 10:38:40 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> replacement for my purposes and i'm glad i can grow most of
> the beans we eat here at home in the gardens so i know those
> are better for the environment.
 
I don't like beans all that well, but I also eat a lot of vegetarian
meals. I just finished up a bowl of vegetable soup (yes, with beans in
it), a bit of cheese, and a slice of bread.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jan 17 01:37PM -0500

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:35:18 -0500, Dave Smith
>that new vegetable based faux meat was being flogged last year they were
>going to try it. However, they looked at the ingredient list and were
>appalled at the chemical content.
 
There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
acceptable burger.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 17 01:38PM -0500

Master Bruce wrot
> I like the taste of meat. I just don't want to
> torture and kill animals. Duh.
 
Simple solution there. Let others torture and kill the animals.
Buy nice meat in the grocery store.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Jan 17 01:35PM -0500

Something I like but it's been about 10 years since I've made it.
 
I used the old Betty Crocker recipe. The only slight change I made was
with the bread.
 
It calls for 4 slices of white bread. Well that's fairly thin and soft
so I used 4 slices of the thicker and more dense Pepperidge Farm Italian
Bread. It's cooked in a bread pan and is rectangular and sliced.
 
It's cooking now in a water bath in the oven. 350 for 65-70 minutes.
 
Should be pretty tasty. If not, I'll adjust the recipe next time.
Probably 10 years from now. lol
 
Tomorrow morning, I'm making an onion, potato, vegetable casserole. That
one will be good. I'll make my own thickened chicken sauce to pour over
that.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Jan 17 11:31AM -0500

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:50:39 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>Mexican rice too.
 
>> Cindy Hamilton
 
>--Bryan
 
You're fussy about eating peas but you savor canned soups.
 
I make beef barley shroom soup often but never with peas, never seen
such a concoction canned. Never seen Mexican rice with peas either,
usually with gandules.
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:07PM -0500

Graham wrote:
...
> When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
> the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
> that stuff was driven through the village.
 
hehe, i bet, fermenting greens can give off a reek, but properly
done sileage smells very sweet and good. the cows sure love it.
 
i grew up kitty corner from the neighbor's small
dairy farm, to me fresh country air always smells a
bit of cow poo. :) one year he tried to grow pigs
but the entire neighborhood told him that was the
first and last time for that, they stunk way too
much.
 
where we are at now one of the neighbors has pigs
but they are to the NE of us so rarely do we smell
them at all. i'd hate to be on the other side of
them.
 
 
songbird
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jan 17 09:47AM -0800

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 6:12:50 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > or without a homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans.
> A pecan pie using spam cubes instead of pecans? arrrgh
> Was that a Twilight Zone episode that I've missed? ;)
 
It's more "Outer Limits" than "Twilight Zone." You could always use cubed, canned, yams instead. You could use a lot of stuff.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 17 11:32AM -0500

On 2021-01-17 11:03 a.m., Graham wrote:
 
> It was probably invented when cream wasn't readily availble in shops.
> Remember that the supermarkets that we are so used to weren't abundant
> until the 60s, at least in the UK.
 
I lived in a small town and the grocery store in town was pretty small,
The first good sized grocery store I ever saw was built two towns away
from us, and it was small compared to most grocery stores these days.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 17 11:36AM -0500

On 2021-01-17 11:19 a.m., Gary wrote:
 
> So much better when fresh made. I don't have a machine now but I do make
> egg noodles from scratch occasionally. I roll them out and use a pizza
> wheel to cut them.
 
You only have to make pasta a couple times to realize what a bargain the
store bought stuff it.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jan 17 09:16AM -0800

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > wheel to cut them.
 
> You only have to make pasta a couple times to realize what a bargain the
> store bought stuff it.
 
My homemade pasta is better than store-bought fresh pasta.
 
Fresh and dried pastas are not interchangeable.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Jan 17 10:17AM -0700

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:32:03 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
 
 
> I lived in a small town and the grocery store in town was pretty small,
> The first good sized grocery store I ever saw was built two towns away
> from us, and it was small compared to most grocery stores these days.
 
When I was a child, there were 3 grocers in my village. Now there is one,
smallish supermarket.
In those days, if you wanted cream, you had to know a dairy farmer who sold
it "on the side". The only generally available cream was the "top of the
milk" as only non-homogenised milk was delivered by the milk man.
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:19PM -0500

Dave Smith wrote:
...
> I lived in a small town and the grocery store in town was pretty small,
> The first good sized grocery store I ever saw was built two towns away
> from us, and it was small compared to most grocery stores these days.
 
things have gone way beyond that here, we've actually cycled
around where at first there were the small stores, then there
was a huge mall built (one of the first ever built i think as
it was quite a huge attraction) and i spent a lot of time there
as a kid because they had an arcade and i liked to go play
pinball at least once a week. now the whole mall is almost
empty and the entire area around it is all built up and over-
run with places we hardly ever go to. if it weren't for our
favorite Chinese place being out that ways we'd never go that
ways, but it fits in with the running of errands to the big
box store.
 
 
songbird
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:15PM -0500

Gary wrote:
...meat grinder...
> I'll probably never buy one as I don't eat much meat and even less often
> ground meat.
 
we mostly use it for ground pickle and bologna and once
in a while i will grind up garlic using it as that is much
faster than cutting it by hand. when i have a few lbs of
garlic left over and i want to preserve it because it is
starting to sprout again, i take it and grind it up and
then drench it with lemon juice and freeze it in portions
that work for future cooking.
 
 
> for %2.99/lb.
> (for Carol, that's at Harris Teeter)
 
> I might buy some tomorrow or Tuesday and make a 3 lb meatloaf. YUM
 
we had burgers last week from ground beef which was very
fatty, Mom said she wasn't sure if she should get that or
ground chuck, i prefer ground chuck as it has just the right
amount of fat and then i don't have to dispose of all the
fat from the pan. why pay for something you're not going
to eat? there was probably six ounces of fat in the pan
after i cooked up the four burgers. i joked that if i was
starving we could have made gravy out of it and the other
stuff stuck on the pan. as it is, nope, i'm certainly not
starving.
 
when doing a roast i also like a chuck roast.
 
we don't really eat beef that often, but when i have it
i'm finding that i prefer ground chuck even more than the
steaks, but i still think i prefer a roast more than any
other way because i also like all the other roasted things
that go with it.
 
 
songbird
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:20PM -0500

Gary wrote:
 
> So much better when fresh made. I don't have a machine now but I do make
> egg noodles from scratch occasionally. I roll them out and use a pizza
> wheel to cut them.
 
we used to make noodles when i was a kid. haven't done
that much at all in recent years.
 
 
songbird
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jan 17 09:38AM -0800

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> In those days, if you wanted cream, you had to know a dairy farmer who sold
> it "on the side". The only generally available cream was the "top of the
> milk" as only non-homogenised milk was delivered by the milk man.
 
I love hearing you codgers talk about the olden times. Was there
canned food then?
 
Cindy Hamilton
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:22PM -0500

Dave Smith wrote:
...
> You only have to make pasta a couple times to realize what a bargain the
> store bought stuff it.
 
we never dried it out all the way, just boiled it up when
we finished rolling it out and cutting it up.
 
i wonder if i can talk Mom into making some fresh again to
see what it is like it has been that long. i only remember
using them in things like chicken soup and beef stroganoff.
for spaghetti and meatballs we always had the small thin
noodles of the dried pastas.
 
 
songbird
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Jan 17 09:46AM -0800

Graham wrote:
> It was probably invented when cream wasn't readily availble in shops.
> Remember that the supermarkets that we are so used to weren't abundant
> until the 60s, at least in the UK.
 
 
I grew up in a rural Illinois farm area, and each small town still had their small grocery stores. By the early 60's some of the larger towns around began opening supermarkets. Now all those smaller shops have disappeared, people have to travel some ways to visit a supermarket; these towns now have gas/convenience stores, with some basic food items available...
 
On my 1975 London visit, we stayed in Bloomsbury, in the British Museum area (at the Thanet Hotel on Bedford Place, now a nice place, then a dumpy B&B catering to cheap student groups. https://thanethotel.co.uk/ ) A new Safeway had just opened nearby and it was considered quite a big deal. It was a purpose - built facility, and laid out in the "US style"...
 
On her 1957 State Visit to the US, Queen Elizabeth was keen to see an American supermarket...and she did so. She spent time wandering the aisles and chatting with the - astounded! - customers, the date is 19 October 1957:
 
https://www.routeonefun.com/the-queen-at-west-hyattsvilles-giant-terps-v-tar-heels-game-in-college-park/
 
"During Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip's first visit to the United States as a monarch, they managed to catch a Terp's game against North Carolina and watch them defeat the Tar Heels, 21-7. After the football game, the Queen and her Prince also paid a visit to the former Giant Food Store in West Hyattsville, as "The supermarket, in its awesome majesty, is a growing symbol of American abundance," wrote one AP reporter covering the Queen's visit to the store.
 
According to this Washington Post article:
 
The royal limousine drew up before the Giant Food Store and, to the complete amazement of hundreds of weekend shoppers, the Queen and her Prince consort got out and walked into the store. Housewives and other shoppers inside the store looked up in astonishment as they found the Queen and Prince Philip peering into their shopping carts. … While the Queen strolled about, the Prince separated from the party and soon found himself munching sample crackers and cheese bits someone offered him. "Good for mice," he smiled at the gaping crowd around him. The young Queen, clad in a mink coat, appeared charmed by the shopping carts with small seats for youngster. "How nice that you can bring your children along," Her Majesty told one woman who was wheeling a baby..."
 
 
http://cookedbooks.blogspot.com/2011/01/queens-trip-to-american-supermarket.html
 
"On October 19, 1957, in West Hyattsville, MD, Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip paid an unexpected visit to a local supermarket, their first to any American grocery store. The New York Times reported that the royal couple turned into the appropriately named Queenstown shopping mall on the way home from a football game at College Park and wandered into a "giant food store. " The Queen, escorted by the store's manager, looked over the vegetables, "then moved to the dairy food counters where methods of keeping the food chilled were explained." She was, apparently, also intrigued by the meat counter: "The Queen seemed especially interested in chicken wrapped in transparent plastic and looked hard at a large counter filled with steak." Meanwhile, Prince Philip wandered around the store, eating cheese and crackers..."
 
GM note: the UK had only gotten off of postwar rationing three years earlier, in 1954. Wiki: 'When did food rationing stop? Fourteen years of food rationing in Britain ended at midnight on 4 July 1954, when restrictions on the sale and purchase of meat and bacon were lifted. ..'
 
Here is a link to a more in - depth article on the Queen's supermarket visit, from The Saskatoon Star - Phoenix [21 October 1957]; she was fascinated by the cut - up chickens "wrapped in cellophane", also that people could select the goods themselves:
 
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=n1ljAAAAIBAJ&sjid=N28NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2759,3115824&dq=queen+elizabeth+supermarket&hl=en
 
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Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jan 17 11:41AM -0500

On 2021-01-17 11:24 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> them into a hot oven.
 
> I'll put ketchup on a burger but on meat loaf I like horse radish,
> sometimes mixed with ketchup.
 
 
Meat loaf is one of the few things that I ketchup on... and in. I add
some horseradish to the meat loaf mix.
 
 
 
 
> I use far more mustard (Guldens) than ketchup.
 
We use more mustard than ketchup.
songbird <songbird@anthive.com>: Jan 17 12:24PM -0500

Dave Smith wrote:
...
> hamburgers and fries. There is also the problem of ketchup being so
> bland these days. It is weak and runny.
 
the only thing i notice being different about it now is that it
is sweeter, but i'm pretty sure a lot of that has to do with me
not eating as much sugar - even breads and rolls often taste too
sweet to me now.
 
 
songbird
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Jan 17 09:37AM -0800

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:23:47 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> I've noticed that many good chefs have no problem using commercial ketchup.
 
> Recently heard Bobby Flay say, "It's a good ingredient to use. No need
> to "reinvent the wheel."
 
Chinese cooks like ketchup. It's used as a sweetener and because it "brightens" up a dish.
Victorious <victor@none.com>: Jan 17 12:07PM -0500

On 1/16/2021 10:50 PM, Beez Neez wrote:
 
>> I've
 
> Nobody gives a shit, you stupid fucktard.
 
> Eat shit, die soon.
 
You waste everyone's time with your inane reply too.
cshenk <cshenk@yoohoo.com>: Jan 17 12:28PM -0500

In article <ru1qt5$1qgt$3@neodome.net>, victor@none.com says...
 
> > Nobody gives a shit, you stupid fucktard.
 
> > Eat shit, die soon.
 
> You waste everyone's time with your inane reply too.
 
Are you wasting *your* time replying to every one
of his posts with the same drivel?
Victorious <victor@none.com>: Jan 17 12:06PM -0500

On 1/16/2021 10:49 PM, Beez Neez wrote:
 
> I find that you're a brainless kook who needs to fuck off and
> get a life.
 
> FUCK OFF AND GET A LIFE, ASSNUGGET!
 
You waste everyone's time with your inane reply too.
Victorious <victor@none.com>: Jan 17 12:06PM -0500

On 1/16/2021 10:53 PM, Beez Neez wrote:
> On 1/16/2021 4:59 PM, John KOOKthe wrote:
 
>> No
 
> Nobody gives a shit, you attention whore. Fuck off, die soon.
 
You waste everyone's time with your inane reply too.
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