Thursday, April 20, 2023

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 12 topics

Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 01:22PM -0400

On 4/16/2023 4:32 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>  'jokes'.
> Call it a joke, or use a smiley, and presto! It's no longer nasty,
> cruel, or tasteless.
 
I assume you few women were highly offended by the old Road Runner cartoons.
The coyote died horrible deaths several times in each cartoon.
 
Lighten up.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 01:45PM -0400

On 4/17/2023 12:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
 
>> 1993, 1999, 2001. Pretty sure those three were all within the last 30
>> years.
 
> Still deceivingly put.
 
Not necessarily deceiving, just oddly stated. His math was right.
That's why I wrote, "Just noticed, that's all."
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:19AM +1000


>> Still deceivingly put.
 
>Not necessarily deceiving, just oddly stated. His math was right.
>That's why I wrote, "Just noticed, that's all."
 
If someone says "I have been to France several times over the last 30
years" you don't think that the last time was 22 years ago.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 01:21PM -0400

On 4/20/2023 11:43 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> Gets me teary-eyed every time I watch it.
 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJqzdOr4Ok
 
> You drink that vomit-worthy beer, right?
 
Natural Ice
 
Much better than the even cheaper lite beer you claim not to drink now.
You just named it recently - Milwaukee's Best Lite?
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:08AM +1000

>About bonding between horse and man. (Giving up a beloved pet)
>Gets me teary-eyed every time I watch it.
 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJqzdOr4Ok
 
But if it was a cow, you'd slaughter it and eat it.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:09AM +1000

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:25:02 -0400, Dave Smith
 
>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJqzdOr4Ok
 
> sniff sniff
>love the music too.
 
It sounds like the singer's being choked to death while she (?) is
singing.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:12AM +1000

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
>> Gets me teary-eyed every time I watch it.
 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJqzdOr4Ok
 
>You drink that vomit-worthy beer, right?
 
What's that trailer trashy concoction you drink again? White wine with
soda pop?
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:17AM +1000


>Natural Ice
 
>Much better than the even cheaper lite beer you claim not to drink now.
>You just named it recently - Milwaukee's Best Lite?
 
Who on earth drinks light beer? Drink beer or water, not both at the
same time.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 12:55PM -0400

On 4/16/2023 1:53 PM, cshenk wrote:
> the group except as a comic foil to the bitches unite effort.
 
> Get this through your rock hard head. I don't give a rats ass what you
> think.
 
Funny...Carol finally bites back. :)
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:17AM +1000


>> Get this through your rock hard head. I don't give a rats ass what you
>> think.
 
>Funny...Carol finally bites back. :)
 
Yes, get those bullies!
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 12:48PM -0400

On 4/7/2023 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
> Getting old is not so bad, has many benefits.  No commute to work, no
> one to answer to, do as you please every day.
 
Add in, no wife to answer to and truly do as you please every day. ;)
 
My retired problem still is too much spare time, dammit.
I used to do everything I wanted to - even when still working full time.
 
Now I'm left with 40-60 hours/week of ???
My work time was very physical work too so I get much less exercise now.
It's not a good habit to get into.
 
Perhaps I should forget about sharks and start surfing again. Yeah, that
might work well.
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>: Apr 20 06:16PM

>> Getting old is not so bad, has many benefits.  No commute to work, no
>> one to answer to, do as you please every day.
 
> Add in, no wife to answer to and truly do as you please every day. ;)
 
I'm pretty sure Ed would prefer his wife were alive and well.
 
--
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:16AM +1000

>It's not a good habit to get into.
 
>Perhaps I should forget about sharks and start surfing again. Yeah, that
>might work well.
 
Or go for a 2 hour walk every day. Virgina Beach, here I come.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:15AM +1000


>Cook and mash peanuts.
>You get all natural peanuts, smashed
>For peanut butter, add other ingredients.
 
Like xanthan gum, soybean oil and foam suppressant. The Gary Special!
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 01:30PM -0400

On 4/20/2023 11:43 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
 
> Yeah sure. That and the vaccines for measles, smallpox, TB, pneumonia
> etc.
 
Don't change the subject then argue about your change.
I specifically named the Covid vaccine...not fully tested and "emergency
approved." It caused many problems and even deaths that have only
recently been admitted.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:04AM +1000

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:35:41 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
 
>planet has been poor. that's all the answer i need to see
>about any food to decide to eat other things instead as
>much as possible.
 
Careful. RFC frowns on people who use their brain. Don't think, just
chew.
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Apr 20 11:05AM -0700

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:20:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> The shrimp looks very good, but mac salad's very lame. Maybe it would
> have worked when I was in my 20s and would wake up with a huge
> hangover.
 
It's the MSG that makes Hawaiian mac salad so delectable. I don't care for salad without MSG. There's a giant missing part in the taste without it.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:10AM +1000

>> about any food to decide to eat other things instead as
>> much as possible.
 
>People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
 
If only they were, but unfortunately most of them just chew.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:13AM +1000

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:43:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>got to high school those older kids who had had polio were already
>through high school and I never again saw class mates with polio. Thanks
>vaccine.
 
Gary lives like a hermit, so he can risk not getting vaccinated.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: Apr 21 04:05AM +1000

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:51:42 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
 
>> edge of town, you can get to almost anywhere in the world faster
>> than driving to the other side of your own damn town.
 
> sounds like a country song i've heard before.
 
I can just hear ol' Hank playing the banjo to those lyrics.
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...and you are NOT, Ed. Governor DeSantis wisely doesn't kowtow to the leftist freaks who want to destroy children. The dems are now fully on the "gender transition merry - go - round" for little kids. But you *approve* of that - right...???
 
"I am a 42-year-old St. Louis native, a queer woman, and politically to the left of Bernie Sanders. My worldview has deeply shaped my career. I have spent my professional life providing counseling to vulnerable populations: children in foster care, sexual minorities, the poor...
 
All that led me to a job in 2018 as a case manager at The Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children's Hospital, which had been established a year earlier... I left the clinic in November of last year because I could no longer participate in what was happening there. By the time I departed, I was certain that the way the American medical system is treating these patients is the opposite of the promise we make to "do no harm." Instead, we are permanently harming the vulnerable patients in our care... I came across comments from Dr. Rachel Levine, a transgender woman who is a high official at the federal Department of Health and Human Services. The article read: "Levine, the U.S. assistant secretary for health, said that clinics are proceeding carefully and that no American children are receiving drugs or hormones for gender dysphoria who shouldn't."
 
I felt stunned and sickened. It wasn't true. And I know that from deep first-hand experience. .."
 
 
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
 
I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I'm Blowing the Whistle.
 
There are more than 100 pediatric gender clinics across the U.S. I worked at one. What's happening to children is morally and medically appalling.
 
By Jamie Reed - February 9, 2023
 
"I am a 42-year-old St. Louis native, a queer woman, and politically to the left of Bernie Sanders. My worldview has deeply shaped my career. I have spent my professional life providing counseling to vulnerable populations: children in foster care, sexual minorities, the poor.
 
For almost four years, I worked at The Washington University School of Medicine Division of Infectious Diseases with teens and young adults who were HIV positive. Many of them were trans or otherwise gender nonconforming, and I could relate: Through childhood and adolescence, I did a lot of gender questioning myself. I'm now married to a transman, and together we are raising my two biological children from a previous marriage and three foster children we hope to adopt.
 
All that led me to a job in 2018 as a case manager at The Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children's Hospital, which had been established a year earlier.
 
The center's working assumption was that the earlier you treat kids with gender dysphoria, the more anguish you can prevent later on. This premise was shared by the center's doctors and therapists. Given their expertise, I assumed that abundant evidence backed this consensus.
 
During the four years I worked at the clinic as a case manager—I was responsible for patient intake and oversight—around a thousand distressed young people came through our doors. The majority of them received hormone prescriptions that can have life-altering consequences—including sterility.
 
I left the clinic in November of last year because I could no longer participate in what was happening there. By the time I departed, I was certain that the way the American medical system is treating these patients is the opposite of the promise we make to "do no harm." Instead, we are permanently harming the vulnerable patients in our care.
 
Today I am speaking out. I am doing so knowing how toxic the public conversation is around this highly contentious issue—and the ways that my testimony might be misused. I am doing so knowing that I am putting myself at serious personal and professional risk.
 
Almost everyone in my life advised me to keep my head down. But I cannot in good conscience do so. Because what is happening to scores of children is far more important than my comfort. And what is happening to them is morally and medically appalling.
 
The Floodgates Open
 
Soon after my arrival at the Transgender Center, I was struck by the lack of formal protocols for treatment. The center's physician co-directors were essentially the sole authority.
 
At first, the patient population was tipped toward what used to be the "traditional" instance of a child with gender dysphoria: a boy, often quite young, who wanted to present as—who wanted to be—a girl.
 
Until 2015 or so, a very small number of these boys comprised the population of pediatric gender dysphoria cases. Then, across the Western world, there began to be a dramatic increase in a new population: Teenage girls, many with no previous history of gender distress, suddenly declared they were transgender and demanded immediate treatment with testosterone.
 
I certainly saw this at the center. One of my jobs was to do intake for new patients and their families. When I started there were probably 10 such calls a month. When I left there were 50, and about 70 percent of the new patients were girls. Sometimes clusters of girls arrived from the same high school.
 
This concerned me, but didn't feel I was in the position to sound some kind of alarm back then. There was a team of about eight of us, and only one other person brought up the kinds of questions I had. Anyone who raised doubts ran the risk of being called a transphobe.
 
The girls who came to us had many comorbidities: depression, anxiety, ADHD, eating disorders, obesity. Many were diagnosed with autism, or had autism-like symptoms. A report last year on a British pediatric transgender center found that about one-third of the patients referred there were on the autism spectrum.
 
Frequently, our patients declared they had disorders that no one believed they had. We had patients who said they had Tourette syndrome (but they didn't); that they had tic disorders (but they didn't); that they had multiple personalities (but they didn't).
 
The doctors privately recognized these false self-diagnoses as a manifestation of social contagion. They even acknowledged that suicide has an element of social contagion. But when I said the clusters of girls streaming into our service looked as if their gender issues might be a manifestation of social contagion, the doctors said gender identity reflected something innate.
 
To begin transitioning, the girls needed a letter of support from a therapist—usually one we recommended—who they had to see only once or twice for the green light. To make it more efficient for the therapists, we offered them a template for how to write a letter in support of transition. The next stop was a single visit to the endocrinologist for a testosterone prescription.
 
That's all it took.
 
When a female takes testosterone, the profound and permanent effects of the hormone can be seen in a matter of months. Voices drop, beards sprout, body fat is redistributed. Sexual interest explodes, aggression increases, and mood can be unpredictable. Our patients were told about some side effects, including sterility. But after working at the center, I came to believe that teenagers are simply not capable of fully grasping what it means to make the decision to become infertile while still a minor.
 
Side Effects
 
Many encounters with patients emphasized to me how little these young people understood the profound impacts changing gender would have on their bodies and minds. But the center downplayed the negative consequences, and emphasized the need for transition. As the center's website said, "Left untreated, gender dysphoria has any number of consequences, from self-harm to suicide. But when you take away the gender dysphoria by allowing a child to be who he or she is, we're noticing that goes away. The studies we have show these kids often wind up functioning psychosocially as well as or better than their peers."
 
There are no reliable studies showing this. Indeed, the experiences of many of the center's patients prove how false these assertions are.
 
Here's an example. On Friday, May 1, 2020, a colleague emailed me about a 15-year-old male patient: "Oh dear. I am concerned that [the patient] does not understand what Bicalutamide does." I responded: "I don't think that we start anything honestly right now."
 
Bicalutamide is a medication used to treat metastatic prostate cancer, and one of its side effects is that it feminizes the bodies of men who take it, including the appearance of breasts. The center prescribed this cancer drug as a puberty blocker and feminizing agent for boys. As with most cancer drugs, bicalutamide has a long list of side effects, and this patient experienced one of them: liver toxicity. He was sent to another unit of the hospital for evaluation and immediately taken off the drug. Afterward, his mother sent an electronic message to the Transgender Center saying that we were lucky her family was not the type to sue.
 
How little patients understood what they were getting into was illustrated by a call we received at the center in 2020 from a 17-year-old biological female patient who was on testosterone. She said she was bleeding from the vagina. In less than an hour she had soaked through an extra heavy pad, her jeans, and a towel she had wrapped around her waist. The nurse at the center told her to go to the emergency room right away.
 
We found out later this girl had had intercourse, and because testosterone thins the vaginal tissues, her vaginal canal had ripped open. She had to be sedated and given surgery to repair the damage. She wasn't the only vaginal laceration case we heard about.
 
Other girls were disturbed by the effects of testosterone on their clitoris, which enlarges and grows into what looks like a microphallus, or a tiny penis. I counseled one patient whose enlarged clitoris now extended below her vulva, and it chafed and rubbed painfully in her jeans. I advised her to get the kind of compression undergarments worn by biological men who dress to pass as female. At the end of the call I thought to myself, "Wow, we hurt this kid."
 
There are rare conditions in which babies are born with atypical genitalia—cases that call for sophisticated care and compassion. But clinics like the one where I worked are creating a whole cohort of kids with atypical genitals—and most of these teens haven't even had sex yet. They had no idea who they were going to be as adults. Yet all it took for them to permanently transform themselves was one or two short conversations with a therapist.
 
Being put on powerful doses of testosterone or estrogen—enough to try to trick your body into mimicking the opposite sex—-affects the rest of the body. I doubt that any parent who's ever consented to give their kid testosterone (a lifelong treatment) knows that they're also possibly signing their kid up for blood pressure medication, cholesterol medication, and perhaps sleep apnea and diabetes.
 
But sometimes the parents' understanding of what they had agreed to do to their children came forcefully:
 
Neglected and Mentally Ill Patients
 
Besides teenage girls, another new group was referred to us: young people from the inpatient psychiatric unit, or the emergency department, of St. Louis Children's Hospital. The mental health of these kids was deeply concerning—there were diagnoses like schizophrenia, PTSD, bipolar disorder, and more. Often they were already on a fistful of pharmaceuticals.
 
This was tragic, but unsurprising given the profound trauma some had been through. Yet no matter how much suffering or pain a child had endured, or how little treatment and love they had received, our doctors viewed gender transition—even with all the expense and hardship it entailed—as the solution.
 
Some weeks it felt as though almost our entire caseload was nothing but disturbed young people.
 
For example, one teenager came to us in the summer of 2022 when he was 17 years old and living in a lockdown facility because he had been sexually abusing dogs. He'd had an awful childhood: His mother was a drug addict, his father was imprisoned, and he grew up in foster care. Whatever treatment he may have been getting, it wasn't working.
 
During our intake I learned from another caseworker that when he got out, he planned to reoffend because he believed the dogs had willingly submitted.
 
Somewhere along the way, he expressed a desire to become female, so he ended up being seen at our center. From there, he went to a psychologist at the hospital who was known to approve virtually everyone seeking transition. Then our doctor recommended feminizing hormones. At the time, I wondered if this was being done as a form of chemical castration.
 
That same thought came up again with another case. This one was in spring of 2022 and concerned a young man who had intense obsessive-compulsive disorder that manifested as a desire to cut off his penis after he masturbated. This patient expressed no gender dysphoria, but he got hormones, too. I asked the doctor what protocol he was following, but I never got a straight answer.
 
In Loco Parentis
 
Another disturbing aspect of the center was its lack of regard for the rights of parents—and the extent to which doctors saw themselves as more informed decision-makers over the fate of these children.
 
In Missouri, only one parent's consent is required for treatment of their child. But when there was a dispute between the parents, it seemed the center always took the side of the affirming parent.
 
My concerns about this approach to dissenting parents grew in 2019 when one of our doctors actually testified in a custody hearing against a father who opposed a mother's wish to start their 11-year-old daughter on puberty blockers.
 
I had done the original intake call, and I found the mother quite disturbing. She and the father were getting divorced, and the mother described the daughter as "kind of a tomboy." So now the mother was convinced her child was trans. But when I asked if her daughter had adopted a boy's name, if she was distressed about her body, if she was saying she felt like a boy, the mother said no. I explained the girl just didn't meet the criteria for an evaluation.
 
Then a month later, the mother called back and said her daughter now used a boy's name, was in distress over her body, and wanted to transition. This time the mom and daughter were given an appointment. Our providers decided the girl was trans and prescribed a puberty blocker to prevent her normal development.
 
The father adamantly disagreed, said this was all coming from the mother, and a custody battle ensued. After the hearing where our doctor testified in favor of transition, the judge sided with the mother.
 
'I Want My Breasts Back'
 
Because I was the main intake person, I had the broadest perspective on our existing and prospective patients. In 2019, a new group of people appeared on my radar: desisters and detransitioners. Desisters choose not to go through with a transition. Detransitioners are transgender people who decide to return to their birth gender.
 
The one colleague with whom I was able to share my concerns agreed with me that we should be tracking desistance and detransition. We thought the doctors would want to collect and understand this data in order to figure out what they had missed.
 
We were wrong. One doctor wondered aloud why he would spend time on someone who was no longer his patient.
 
But we created a document anyway and called it the Red Flag list. It was an Excel spreadsheet that tracked the kind of patients that kept my colleague and me up at night.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 20 01:48PM -0400

On 4/17/2023 5:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
 
> My wife always turns off the automatic headlights in my car. The next
> time I go out at night I get a ways down the road before I realize why
> it is so dark.
 
That's odd unless your street is very well lit.
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Apr 20 10:12AM -0700

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 8:45:01 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> to someone as obviously mentally ill as you.
 
> > John Kuthe, RN...
 
> --Bryan
 
No, I am a very competent NURSE! Better than YOU! YOU know NOTHING about Nursing, I DO!
 
John Kuthe, RN...
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>: Apr 20 04:41PM


> I use the same (canned tomatoes) for spaghetti sauce.
> For a nice addition though, during local harvest time, add in some
> chopped FRESH tomatoes at the end just long enough to warm.
 
I'd rather make a sauce intended to use fresh tomatoes. Like this one:
 
https://www.seriouseats.com/sicilian-style-spaghetti-alla-carrettiera-fresh-tomato-and-garlic-sauce
 
--
Cindy Hamilton
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