Tuesday, May 2, 2017

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 8 topics

Thomas <canopeily@yahoo.com>: May 02 02:55PM -0700

I do not know the degree of tilt but minor. When i cook lets say minute steaks or gb i am able to bring the meat to one side to allow grease separating. Spoon off and all is good. Is this a good practice?
Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>: May 02 03:49PM -0700

On 5/2/2017 2:55 PM, Thomas wrote:
> I do not know the degree of tilt but minor. When i cook lets say minute steaks or gb i am able to bring the meat to one side to allow grease separating. Spoon off and all is good. Is this a good practice?
 
how do your pancakes come out?
Thomas <canopeily@yahoo.com>: May 02 04:07PM -0700

Very slight tilt. Could never notice a pot of soup being off kilter. When i crack an egg it does move to the rear but the second egg stays away from the first.
Thomas <canopeily@yahoo.com>: May 02 04:10PM -0700

Pancakes and such like potato pancakes are perfect. Just enough to push ground meat to the close side and after a min or 2 grease is in the away side.
Thomas <canopeily@yahoo.com>: May 02 04:10PM -0700

Oh, i only bring this up because i am bored.
penmart01@aol.com: May 02 07:59PM -0400

Thomas wrote:
 
>I do not know the degree of tilt but minor. When i cook lets say minute steaks
>r gb i am able to bring the meat to one side to allow grease separating. Spoon
>ff and all is good. Is this a good practice?
 
Okay for top burners but not so good for baking. I just tilt skillets
to let the grease run to one side, works well with caramelized onions.
I like my stove dead plumb... no lopsided
cakes.
penmart01@aol.com: May 02 08:23PM -0400

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> am able to bring the meat to one side to allow
>> rease separating. Spoon off and all is good. Is this a good practice?
 
>how do your pancakes come out?
 
I did a lot of cooking in rough seas so I know how to deal with
tilting, many tricks. Pancakes are easy, try fried eggs on a griddle
with 40ΒΊ rolls/pitches. Only saving grace not many wanted to eat
greazy eggs and homefries in rough seas, most just wanted to do dry
heaves while praying to a commode. I guess I was lucky, as a ship's
cook I never got sea sick. The rougher the sea the more I liked it.
I'd snicker at the old salts who couldn't hold down saltines.
"Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com>: May 03 06:52AM +0100

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Thomas wrote:
>r gb i am able to bring the meat to one side to allow grease separating.
>Spoon
>ff and all is good. Is this a good practice?
 
Okay for top burners but not so good for baking. I just tilt skillets
to let the grease run to one side, works well with caramelized onions.
I like my stove dead plumb... no lopsided
cakes.
 
====
 
Or, you could have separate ovens <g>
 
 
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"Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com>: May 03 06:51AM +0100

"Thomas" wrote in message
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I do not know the degree of tilt but minor. When i cook lets say minute
steaks or gb i am able to bring the meat to one side to allow grease
separating. Spoon off and all is good. Is this a good practice?
 
==
 
Mine does that:)
 
 
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Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: May 02 05:03PM -0400

On 2017-05-02 7:54 AM, Bruce wrote:
> condensing on the surface which acts as a medium for yeast to grow, so
> when the bread is baked, the water flashes off and you get that nasty
> smell.
 
I have had submarine sandwiches in a lot of different places and I was
seldom impressed with the quality of the bread. I have to say that
Subway is better than some of the other insipid breads that have been used.
dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com>: May 02 03:50PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 11:03:42 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
 
> I have had submarine sandwiches in a lot of different places and I was
> seldom impressed with the quality of the bread. I have to say that
> Subway is better than some of the other insipid breads that have been used.
 
Subway bread is eminently edible - especially if you're hungry! My guess is that some of the loaves you get with your sandwich is not available anywhere else.
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>: May 03 09:36AM +1000

On Tue, 2 May 2017 15:50:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi100@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
>> seldom impressed with the quality of the bread. I have to say that
>> Subway is better than some of the other insipid breads that have been used.
 
>Subway bread is eminently edible - especially if you're hungry! My guess is that some of the loaves you get with your sandwich is not available anywhere else.
 
They give you loaves with your sandwich? Is that like buying a glass
of wine and getting a couple of bottles thrown in?
penmart01@aol.com: May 02 07:46PM -0400

On Tue, 2 May 2017 18:09:46 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>procedures and processes but you don't really want to mess with success.
 
>==
 
>I'm not sure how successful it is when it puts people off eating there.
 
Subway is the most succsessful fast food companies on the planet, why
I've no idea.
 
Subway (restaurant)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Subway Sandwiches)
This article is about the restaurant. For other uses, see Subway.
Subway IP, Inc.
Subway 2016 logo.svg
Trading name
Subway
Type
Privately held company
Industry Restaurants
Genre Fast food
Founded As Pete's Super Submarines: August 28, 1965; 51 years ago
Bridgeport, Connecticut, U.S.
As Subway: 1968; 49 years ago
Founders
Fred DeLuca
Peter Buck
Headquarters Milford, Connecticut, U.S.
Number of locations
44,834 restaurants in 112 countries[1]
Key people
Suzanne Greco (CEO, President)
Products
Submarine sandwiches
Pizzas (some locations)
Owner Doctor's Associates, Inc.
Website www.subway.com/en-us
 
Subway restaurant in Portland, Oregon
Subway IP Inc., (doing business as Subway) is a privately held
American fast food restaurant franchise that primarily sells submarine
sandwiches (subs) and salads. It is owned and operated by Doctor's
Associates, Inc., doing business as Subway IP, Inc. Subway is one of
the fastest-growing franchises in the world, with 44,882 restaurants
in 112 countries and territories as of December 27, 2016. The United
States alone has 26,646 outlets.[1] It is the largest single-brand
restaurant chain and the largest restaurant operator in the
world.[2][3][4]
 
Subway's international headquarters is in Milford, Connecticut; five
regional centers support Subway's international operations. The
regional offices for European franchises are located in Amsterdam
(Netherlands), the Australian, and New Zealand locations are supported
from Brisbane (Australia); the Asian locations are supported from
offices in Beirut (Lebanon) and Singapore, and the Latin American
support center is in Miami.[5]
 
Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Locations
3 Products
3.1 Regional variations
3.2 Nutritional content
4 Advertising
4.1 Jared Fogle
4.2 $5 footlongs
4.3 Sub Club
4.4 Italian Hero
5 Controversies
5.1 Hepatitis A contamination
5.2 Sandwich size
5.3 Franchise relations
5.4 United Kingdom VAT treatment
5.5 Casey's trademark case against Subway
5.6 Ingredients
5.7 Soy protein in chicken products
6 See also
7 References
8 External links
History[edit]
 
Subway logo used from 1968 to 2002
 
Subway logo used from 2002 to 2017, and since then as a secondary
logo.
In 1965, Fred DeLuca borrowed $1,000 from friend Peter Buck to start
"Pete's Super Submarines" in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and in the
following year, they formed Doctor's Associates Inc. to oversee
operations of the restaurants as the franchise expanded.[6] The
holding company derives its name from DeLuca's goal to earn enough
from the business to pay tuition for medical school, as well as Buck's
having a doctorate in physics.[7] Doctor's Associates is not
affiliated with, nor endorsed by, any medical organization.[8] In
1968, the sandwich shop was renamed "Subway".[6]
 
 
Subway restaurant in Pittsfield Township, Michigan (2011)
The first Subway on the West Coast was opened in Fresno, California,
in 1978.[9] The first Subway outside of North America opened in
Bahrain in December 1984.[10] The first Subway in the United Kingdom
was opened in Brighton in 1996.[11] In 2004, Subway began opening
stores in Walmart supercenters and surpassed the number of McDonald's
locations inside U.S. Walmart stores in 2007.[12]
 
Since 2007, Subway has consistently ranked in Entrepreneur magazine's
Top 500 Franchises list. It ranked #2 in 2012. It also ranked #2 on
the "Fastest Growing Franchise" and "Global Franchise" lists.[13] At
the end of 2010, Subway became the largest fast food chain worldwide,
with 33,749 restaurants – 1,012 more than McDonald's.[14]
 
In 2016, Subway closed hundreds of restaurants in the U.S.,
experiencing a net loss in locations for the first time. However, with
26,744 locations, they remained the most ubiquitous restaurant chain
in the U.S. (with McDonald's in the #2 spot).[15] Also in 2016, Subway
announced a new logo for the franchise, to be implemented in 2017.[16]
A radically updated "restaurant of the future" concept is due to be
rolled out globally from 2017 onwards.[citation needed]
 
Locations[edit]
 
Countries with Subway Restaurants
Countries with plans for Subway Restaurants
Countries that formerly had Subway Restaurants
Products[edit]
 
A Subway Club 6" sandwich
Subway's core product is the submarine sandwich (or "sub"). In
addition to these, the chain also sells wraps, salad, paninis, and
baked goods (including cookies, doughnuts, and muffins). While some
menu items vary between countries and markets, Subway's worldwide
signature sub varieties include:[17]
 
B.L.T
Chicken
Chicken Pizziola
Chicken Teriyaki
Chicken Tikka
Chipotle Chicken
Ham
Italian B.M.T.
Meatball Marinara
Roasted Chicken
Spicy Italian
Steak & Cheese
Subway Club
Subway Melt
Tuna
Turkey
Veggie Delite
Veggie Patty
Subway's best-selling sandwich,[18] the B.M.T., contains pepperoni,
salami, and ham. The name originally stood for Brooklyn Manhattan
Transit, but now stands for "Bigger, Meatier, Tastier".[19]
 
Subway also sells breakfast sandwiches, English muffins, and
flatbread. In 2006, "personal pizzas" debuted in some US markets.
These are made to order (like their subs) and heated for 85 seconds.
Breakfast and pizza items are only available in some stores. In
November 2009, Subway signed a deal to serve exclusively Seattle's
Best Coffee coffee as part of their breakfast menu in the US.[20]
 
A 2009 Zagat survey named Subway the best provider of "Healthy
Options" (in the "Mega Chain" category). Subway was also first in "Top
Service" and "Most Popular" rankings. It placed second in "Top
Overall", behind Wendy's.[21]
 
On April 18, 2017, Subway announced that they would be adding paninis
to their menu. Chipotle Steak & Cheese, Triple Cheese, Chicken Cordon
Bleu, and Italian B.M.T. Melt were the 4 variations announced.[22]
 
Regional variations[edit]
Subway's menu varies between countries, most significantly where there
are religious requirements relating to the meats served.
 
In 2006, the first kosher Subway restaurant in the United States
opened, in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio in the Mandel JCC of Cleveland.
Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle attended the opening. A press
release stated, "With slight modifications, such as no pork-based
products, and the use of soy-based cheese product, the menu is
virtually identical to that of any other Subway restaurant."[23] Other
openings soon followed, briefly making Subway one of the largest U.S.
kosher restaurant chains.[24] At their peak, 12 kosher Subway
locations were open in the U.S, including Kansas City and 5 in New
York. As of 2011, only five remain Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles and
two stores in Maryland.[25] Franchisees who failed noted a lack of
support from the parent location in advertising, higher costs of
kosher food and supervision, the inability to remain open on
Saturdays, and that customers who do not keep kosher prefer the
original menu and prices.[25]
 
Subway opened its first restaurant in India in 2001 in New Delhi.
Subway restaurants in India do not serve beef and pork products in
deference to Hindu and Muslim beliefs respectively and sell an
extended vegetarian range due to the large number of vegetarians in
the country. There are 591 Subway restaurants in 68 cities of India as
of January 2017.[26] On September 4, 2012, Subway opened its first
all-vegetarian outlet on the campus of Lovely Professional University
(LPU) in Jalandhar, Punjab.[27] On March 6, 2013, Subway opened its
second all-vegetarian outlet also offering Jain food in Paldi,
Ahmedabad.[28]
 
Nutritional content[edit]
In 2011, Subway introduced gluten-free bread and brownies to some
locations in Texas.[29] It also cut the salt content of its sandwiches
by 15 percent.[30]
 
In the United Kingdom and Ireland, Subway has reduced salt content
across its entire range by 33% and has committed to further
reductions, in line with government targets.[31] Subway's range of
"Low Fat" subs is endorsed by the charity Heart Research UK.[32]
 
Advertising[edit]
 
Subway in Belo Horizonte, Brazil. (2009)
Subway is the second-biggest fast food advertiser in the United
States, behind only McDonald's. It spent US$516,000,000 on measurable
advertising in 2011.[33]
 
Subway uses the advertising slogan "Eat Fresh", and focuses on how
their sandwiches are made from freshly baked bread and fresh
ingredients, in front of customers to their exact specifications, by
employees whom Subway calls "Subway Sandwich Artists".
 
In November 2007, Subway's US commercials featured the cartoon
character Peter Griffin (from Family Guy) promoting its new Subway
Feast sandwich.[34] Subway has also used "instant win" games, based on
the game Scrabble.
 
Subway ran a product placement campaign in the US TV series Chuck
since its first season. As ratings dwindled in the second season, a
campaign to "save Chuck" was launched for fans, encouraging them to
purchase a footlong sub from Subway on April 27, 2009, the date of the
season finale. Tony Pace, Subway's marketing officer, called it the
best product placement the restaurant chain has done "in several
years."[35]
 
To celebrate National Sandwich Day on November 3, 2015, Subway offered
a Buy One sandwich, Give One sandwich free promotion.[36]
 
Jared Fogle[edit]
 
Jared Fogle in 2007
Jared Fogle was a national spokesman for the company in the US
starting in January 2000, giving talks on healthy living and appearing
in advertisements. Fogle first came to attention in his native Indiana
by claiming that he lost over 200 pounds in part by eating at Subway.
From 2008, he was featured less often as the company marketed with
more emphasis on their "5 dollar footlong" campaign.[37] Subway
attributed between one-third and one-half of their growth from 1998 to
2011 to Fogle, the equivalent of a tripling in size.[38] Subway cut
ties with Fogle on August 18, 2015, amid expectations that he would
plead guilty to child pornography and child molestation charges,[39]
which were confirmed the following day.[40] He has since been
sentenced to more than 15 years in federal prison.[41]
 
In December 2015, following the removal of Fogle from its marketing,
Subway introduced a new marketing campaign, "Founded on Fresh". The
campaign focuses upon Subway's establishment and early history, and
features Fred DeLuca, as played by his son, Jonathon. The new campaign
downplays the use of jingles and celebrity endorsements (besides
"targeted" sports marketing), in favor of focusing upon the qualities
of its products, and specific products. Chief advertising officer
Chris Carroll explained that the focus on fat, calories, and weight
loss were "what fresh used to be", and that the new campaign would
focus more on the sourcing of Subway's ingredients, such as its
phase-out of antibiotic-treated meat. Carroll also explained that the
new strategy was being developed prior to the controversy involving
Fogle.[42]
 
$5 footlongs[edit]
For more details on this topic, see Subway $5 footlong promotion.
In 2008, Subway began to offer all foot-long submarine sandwiches
(excluding premium and double-meat varieties) for five dollars, in the
continental United States and Canada, as a "limited time only"
promotion. "Five Dollar Footlongs" quickly became the company's most
successful promotion ever.[43] Upon the initial promotion's
completion, customer response prompted Subway to create a permanent
"$5 Footlong Everyday Value Menu" that offered some footlong
sandwiches for $5. As of 2011, there has been a monthly rotating $5
footlong.[44]
 
In October 2011, a similar promotion was launched in the United
Kingdom. Customers can buy one of nine subs and any drink for £3 (for
a six-inch sub) or £5 (for a footlong).[45] On November 1, 2014,
Subway discontinued the five dollar footlong promotion, replacing it
with the £6 six-inch select with a drink and a choice of cookies or
chips.
 
Sub Club[edit]
 
Sub Club Cards and Sub Club stamps
In early June 2005, Subway announced its first customer reward program
would be phased out due to counterfeiting. The "Sub Club" program was
discontinued in September 2013 by Doctor's Associates.[46]
 
Participating Subway restaurants in the U.S. and Canada offer a
"Subway Card" to customers, which functions as a stored-value cash
card. In some states and provinces, the card also functions as a
"Subway Rewards Card", allowing customers to earn points for free food
and sandwiches. Unlike in the "Sub Club" program, no other purchase is
needed when redeeming points and registered cards can be replaced if
lost or stolen.[47] Subway runs periodic promotions in which it gives
away free subs to customers who pre-load a Subway Card with certain
dollar amounts, usually listed at mysubwaycard.com.
 
All stores in the United Kingdom and Ireland participate in the
Subcard system, offering customers points with each purchase at a
store, which are redeemable for subs and snacks. Unlike in the US
system, these cards cannot be used to store cash. The program was
rolled out in Germany, and other parts of Europe from 2012.[48]
 
Italian Hero[edit]
In early 2017, Subway introduced its Italian Hero, and advertised it
with a campaign describing it as an authentic Italian[-American]
sandwich. Two comedic spots feature stereotypical Italian-American
characters on and around the stoop of a New York/New Jersey tenement
building, one including a cameo by sportcaster Dick Vitale. Another ad
features Food Network's Jeff Mauro, the "Sandwich King", discussing
the nature and role of the different Italian meats and other
ingredients.[49][50][51][52][53][54]
 
Controversies[edit]
Hepatitis A contamination[edit]
In September 1999, at least 32 customers in the north Seattle area
contracted hepatitis A after eating food contaminated with the virus
at two Subway outlets.[55] The virus, which is spread by eating or
drinking food or water contaminated with infected feces, infects the
liver causing nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and fever.[56]
Subsequent investigations found that staff failed to adhere to
thorough hand washing and the use of plastic gloves during food
preparation.[57] A class-action lawsuit on behalf of 31 victims was
resolved for $1.6 million.[58][59] The most seriously affected
victim—a 6-year-old boy—suffered acute liver failure and required a
liver transplant. He was awarded $10 million in an out-of-court
settlement in 2001.[57] A previous outbreak of hepatitis A in 1996 had
also involved a Subway outlet in the Seattle area, although no legal
action had resulted.[55]
 
In April 2015, the Arkansas Department of Health issued a warning to
the public that customers who had eaten at the Subway outlet in
Morrilton, Arkansas, may have been exposed to infection after an
employee tested positive for the virus.[60][61]
 
Sandwich size[edit]
On February 2, 2007, KNXV-TV (with the help of the Arizona Department
of Weights and Measures) reported that three of Subway's "Giant Sub"
sandwiches, nominally each 3-foot (91 cm) long, were actually 2 feet 8
inches (81 cm), 2 feet 8.25 inches (81.92 cm), and 2 feet 8.5 inches
(82.6 cm) long. The maximum variance in length allowed in Arizona is
3% (1.08 inches (2.7 cm), for a three-foot sub). The report also
showed the boxes designed to store these sandwiches were 2 feet 10.75
inches (88.27 cm)
"Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com>: May 03 06:43AM +0100

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On Tue, 2 May 2017 18:09:46 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>procedures and processes but you don't really want to mess with success.
 
>==
 
>I'm not sure how successful it is when it puts people off eating there.
 
Subway is the most succsessful fast food companies on the planet, why
I've no idea.
 
Subway (restaurant)
 
==
 
Humongous snip! Thanks, errr I think:)
 
I am sure it is popular or they wouldn't exist but that doesn't make it
smell any better for me <g>
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Sqwertz <swertz@cluemail.compost>: May 03 12:10AM -0500


> Subway is the most succsessful fast food companies on the planet, why
> I've no idea.
 
Subway is the worst franchise to own unless you own 50 of them and
don't give them a fuck. I can't believe gullible franchisees are
still investing in Subway.
 
Look at the Sales Per Unit comapred to the reast of the top 10.
 
https://www.qsrmagazine.com/reports/qsr50-2015-top-50-chart
 
Subway has taken a nosedive due to over-saturation and will go the way
of Boston Market.
 
[Snip 2,000 lines of illigble AOL-pasted crap from Pussy Katz]
 
-sw
Sqwertz <swertz@cluemail.compost>: May 03 12:20AM -0500

On Wed, 3 May 2017 00:10:30 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
 
 
> https://www.qsrmagazine.com/reports/qsr50-2015-top-50-chart
 
> Subway has taken a nosedive due to over-saturation and will go the way
> of Boston Market.
 
Correction: Subway Sandwiches has the *lowest* sales per store of ANY
of the top 50 fast food restaurants in the world.
 
https://www.qsrmagazine.com/reports/qsr50-2015-top-50-chart?sort=2014_avg_sales&dir=asc
 
Il'll be muchas happy when Subway starts to implode, soon...
 
-sw
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penmart01@aol.com: May 02 10:29PM -0400

https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle/2017/05/02/new-meat-chefs-cant-get-enough-of/22065842/
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.net>: May 02 11:12PM -0400

> https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle/2017/05/02/new-meat-chefs-cant-get-enough-of/22065842/
 
New? Goat is the most eaten meat in a lot of countries.
 
http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=3679
I'll bet a lot of you guessed chicken or pork. Some of you probably
thought beef. Surprise! In the United States, we tend to consume chicken
as our white meat of choice and beef as our red meat, but 63 percent of
the world's population eats goat meat.
penmart01@aol.com: May 02 07:34PM -0400

sockmonkeyNH wrote:
>he store when all of a sudden you'd be assaulted with screeching loud
>bscenities. Good old days, I wonder whatever happened to that old bird.
 
>Denise in NH
 
Squawk, squawk... nice tatas hanging there, lady... Squawk, squawk! ;)
lenona321@yahoo.com: May 02 02:37PM -0700

It's from yesterday.
 
https://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/babyblues/s-1951488
 
Nice discussion follows.
 
 
Lenona.
"The Greatest!" <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: May 02 01:23PM -0700

tert in seattle wrote:
 
> alexsistouray10@gmail.com wrote:
> > I bet it's the like fluids s
 
> TROLL FAIL
 
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...........!!!!!!
 
 
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Greg
coltwvu@gmail.com: May 02 01:57PM -0700

Old fashioned oats say to use 1 C of water for 1/2 C of oats and to cook it 5 min, I use 1.25 C of water and cook 6 min.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: May 02 05:05PM -0400

On 2017-05-02 2:32 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> alexsistouray10@gmail.com wrote:
>> I bet it's the like fluids s
 
> TROLL FAIL
 
It got a response from you.
tert in seattle <tert@ftupet.com>: May 02 09:11PM

Dave Smith wrote:
>>> I bet it's the like fluids s
 
>> TROLL FAIL
 
> It got a response from you.
 
fucken Dave man - nothing gets past this guy!
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