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| John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Jun 18 09:39AM -0700 I'm probably going to need a higher capacity Indoor Subpanel, as I've got a 40gal electric water heater ordered, want to get an electric stove and thermostatically controlled electric baseboard heaters in each bedroom! I THINK!! But I need my electrician Steve's consult on things! John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Really Doing It! |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:54AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote: > I'm probably going to need a higher capacity Indoor Subpanel, as I've got a 40gal electric water heater ordered, want to get an electric stove and thermostatically controlled electric baseboard heaters in each bedroom! I THINK!! > But I need my electrician Steve's consult on things! > John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Really Doing It! With a 40 gallon ELECTRIC water heater your boarders will be down to one bath per week and you'll have to set up a chart on which is their day to bathe. At least you are ensuring coal miners have a job. |
| John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Jun 18 09:59AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote: ... > With a 40 gallon ELECTRIC water heater your boarders will be down to one bath > per week and you'll have to set up a chart on which is their day to bathe. > At least you are ensuring coal miners have a job. No one 'currently' (every pun intended!) complains of running out of hot water, and I am probably the greatest user of hot water in this house anyway! And FUCK OFF WebTV! Pansy-assed ISP! John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Never An AOLamer or WebTVer! |
| tert in seattle <tert@ftupet.com>: Jun 18 04:13PM https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/shopping-for-plastic-2019/ my stores come in at #2 and #4 |
| Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Jun 18 09:43AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 12:20:06 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote: > https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/shopping-for-plastic-2019/ > my stores come in at #2 and #4 #18 for me Cindy Hamilton |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:52AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 11:20:06 AM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote: > https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/shopping-for-plastic-2019/ > my stores come in at #2 and #4 My store came in at #2. |
| Jinx the Minx <jinxminx2@yahoo.com>: Jun 18 03:01PM > make sacrifices. No one will continue to live as they did. > Children adapt well to changes just as much as the adults. My > daughter did and she turned out fine. That's very true Gary, but there isn't a need to throw a privileged kid into a life barely subsisting above poverty when the non-custodial parent can clearly afford to not make that happen. That is the point. That's what the courts try to ensure when they step in and order these "huge" child support settlements. They are equalizing the financial playing field for the benefit of the child. |
| Jinx the Minx <jinxminx2@yahoo.com>: Jun 18 03:01PM >> ==== >> I could never disagree with that! > My stepdaugher still considers me her dad. I like that. That's awesome, Gary! BTW, have you seen the newest Budweiser commercial paying homage to stepdads on Father's Day? It'll bring tears to your eyes. |
| Jinx the Minx <jinxminx2@yahoo.com>: Jun 18 03:01PM > long term common law relationships. If people choose to live together > without the formalities and obligations of marriage they should not > expect those benefits to extend to them. I'll tell you, if a woman puts her career on hold, or otherwise never had extended education and little work experience because she stayed at home to be homemaker, divorce can be financially devastating. Alimony isn't a forever thing—it's meant to bridge that gap between being mostly unemployable outside the home to finding sustaining employment or education to get better employed. Alimony is rarely ordered by the courts, and is generally limited to situations wherein there is an extraordinary gap between his and hers incomes. Child support isn't alimony, and alimony isn't child support. Further, if the courts awarded custody to the parent with the lesser income, then there was clearly evidence to not award custody to the "richer" parent. Perhaps that rich dad you speak of travelled often, or was a playboy, or had addiction issues, or simply wanted the freedom that comes with no children, no wife, and excessive income. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 18 11:15AM -0400 On 2019-06-18 10:23 a.m., Gary wrote: > himself? Equal support from the ex-wife? Remember, you do want > equality, right? Would you have made sure that she paid him > appropriately? I hope so if you are really an equality advocate. Good luck with that. It's funny how when a couple divorces everyone hears about how rotten their child's or friends ex is the worse SOB in the world but their child/friend is never at fault. There is the odd exception. I became friends with one of my professors who had married one of my classmates. He was a nice guy. He was drop dead good looking. She was always nice to me but she was a bit of a bitch around him, and she used her looks and her wily ways to steal other people husbands. I had also become friends with her brother. He and I used play guitar together weekly. I later met the other sister in a book club I was in. After their split, brother and the other sister remained good friends. The wife of my jamming buddy and the prod's new wife even started a business together. They dreaded their sister's visits. After having taken up and moved in with two different married men she found religion. They were non practicing Jews, but the last guy she hooked up with was an Orthodox Jew. She started dressing the part, and when she came to visit she would bring plastic spoons and dishes because they didn't keep kosher. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 18 11:24AM -0400 On 2019-06-18 11:01 a.m., Jinx the Minx wrote: > buys a new car, they must be buying it with all that child support (not > their own money), and not for the benefit of the kids that need reliable, > safe transportation to school, to daycare so the parent can work, etc. It wasn't like these kids were left needy. I just looked up another one. Income had been sporadic during their marriage. The wife was a marketing director, so she was doing okay and claimed that at times she had to support him. He started doing better after they divorced. He had inherited gold stock options and did very well with his investments. He fought her support demands because he thought she was seeking exorbitant child support for their one child so that she could benefit personally. She was awarded $31,015 per months. |
| Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Jun 18 11:27AM -0400 On 2019-06-18 11:01 a.m., Jinx the Minx wrote: > generally limited to situations wherein there is an extraordinary gap > between his and hers incomes. Child support isn't alimony, and alimony > isn't child support. What is a woman does not put her career on hold? What is the woman is just a gold digger who married well? |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 18 11:26AM -0400 On 6/18/2019 1:53 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote: > consideration, not just one. So if you make 6 figures and your ex makes 5, > you're going to have to pay a lot to ensure your children can continue to > live as they did while married. In theory you are correct, but in practice, it does not always work that way. In real life the situation is fluid and you adapt. What if dad, through no fault of his own is out of work? The next job he finds pays 80% of the former job? If a family is together, they adapt and change lifestyle. Real life is that way. I know of two cases where that happened to a divorced couple. The court did not care, just pay up. In one case the father finally got a break but had a lot of lawyer costs to do it. Plenty of abuse going on both by spouses and courts. |
| Jinx the Minx <jinxminx2@yahoo.com>: Jun 18 03:01PM I never understand these people that think all of a sudden kids shouldn't get to go on vacation, or to restaurants, or live in a home that provides them their own bedroom. And my personal favorite, if the receiving parent buys a new car, they must be buying it with all that child support (not their own money), and not for the benefit of the kids that need reliable, safe transportation to school, to daycare so the parent can work, etc. |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:41AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 8:13:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote: > > this day, make less money for the same jobs so the going is harder. > You are showing the typical society bias. Men can make more money > so they don't need any child support. Nobody but you said men don't need child support because they make more money. The non-custodial parent needs to pay child support, period. But generally, men do make more money than women. > The women can just run off > free with no responsibilities but men that do that are rats. Either one that runs off and does not meet their responsibilities is a rat. > Even a little help would have been nice. I got none. That's a two-way street. Gary is not the only parent who never got a dime from their ex for child support. > Maybe quit > being such a feminist and consider both sides of the coin. It > works both ways, at least to a degree. Maybe quit being such a chauvinist and consider both sides of the coin. It works both ways, at least to a degree. > As a mother, how would you see it if your married son got > divorced, kept the kids, and no child support at all from his ex? She saw exactly what you are talking with her _daughter._ > Is that ok, in your mind? If women want so bad to be equal, make > it equal. Is that ok, in your mind? I don't know about custody laws where you live, but here men have just the same right and opportunity to have full custody of their children as women do. They also have the same right to child support as women do. But just like women, they have to go to court and constantly fight sometimes to even get a dime out of their ex. |
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| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 18 11:40AM -0400 On 6/18/2019 8:27 AM, Pamela wrote: >> Four countries in Europe, >> three in North America, > Presumably that's U.S. and Canada but which is the third? Mexico. Been there a few times but never went more than 100 miles south of the US border. |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:26AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:55:19 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > Every time we get him and Kuthe posting to the same thread, it's like > wandering into the "I'm Napoleon Bonaparte" ward at the loony bin. > Cindy Hamilton HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 18 11:52AM -0400 On 6/18/2019 9:30 AM, A Moose in Love wrote: >> letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've >> become lazy. > Fine. I'll capitalize from now on. ThankS. JustT Don'T GetT CarrieD AwaY WitH IT. |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:22AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote: > > letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've > > become lazy. > Fine. I'll capitalize from now on. :o)) |
| "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Jun 18 09:25AM -0700 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:52:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > On 6/18/2019 9:30 AM, A Moose in Love wrote: > > Fine. I'll capitalize from now on. > ThankS. JustT Don'T GetT CarrieD AwaY WitH IT. There was someone on one the WebTV technical groups a hundred years ago who would capitalize the first letter in every single word when they would post. It would just drive people batty. |
| Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Jun 18 11:49AM -0400 On 6/17/2019 11:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote: > CK: It's REALLY hard to get that kind of response from Ed. Even > I've only got a couple of them 1/3rd that bad in the last 20 years. > -sw CK is exceptional. As is his craving for attention. |
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