Wednesday, December 30, 2020

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 11 topics

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 05:50AM -0800

I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 05:51AM -0800

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 8:51:05 AM UTC-5, Lenona wrote:
> I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
 
It's so easy to make at home, I'm surprised you care.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 06:08AM -0800

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 8:52:02 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 8:51:05 AM UTC-5, Lenona wrote:
> > I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
> It's so easy to make at home, I'm surprised you care.
 
 
If you're nervous about raw eggs (and most guests would be, not that I have any this year), what recipe would you recommend?
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Dec 30 09:39AM -0500

On 12/30/2020 8:50 AM, Lenona wrote:
> I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
 
Local store had an end of aisle case full of it. Featured sale item
before Christmas.
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 07:16AM -0800

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-5, Lenona wrote:
> > > I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
> > It's so easy to make at home, I'm surprised you care.
> If you're nervous about raw eggs (and most guests would be, not that I have any this year), what recipe would you recommend?
 
I'm not nervous about raw eggs and this is no time to have guests in the
house.
 
Sorry, can't help.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Dec 30 10:24AM -0500

On 2020-12-30 8:50 a.m., Lenona wrote:
> I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in
> the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in
> quarts.)
 
I have not bought any in years so I never bother looking for it. Never
the less, I still see it in the dairy section. Not this year. The local
convenience stores usually have signs up on their windows and doors
advertising egg nog, but I didn't notice any this year.
 
It seems to me that egg nog is more of a party beverage. It's not
something that people get for themselves. There weren't many social
gatherings this Christmas, so I imagine that the market for the stuff
went down the tubes.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Dec 30 10:26AM -0500

On 2020-12-30 9:08 a.m., Lenona wrote:
>>> I searched for it just before Christmas and didn't even see a gap in the place where I would normally find it. (They would sell it in quarts.)
>> It's so easy to make at home, I'm surprised you care.
 
> If you're nervous about raw eggs (and most guests would be, not that I have any this year), what recipe would you recommend?
 
There is no shortage of recipes for eggnog that involve cooking the eggs
in milk and cream, making a thin custard .
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 07:30AM -0800

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 10:24:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
 
> > If you're nervous about raw eggs (and most guests would be, not that I have any this year), what recipe would you recommend?
 
> There is no shortage of recipes for eggnog that involve cooking the eggs
> in milk and cream, making a thin custard .
 
Also, come to think of it, pasteurized eggs are available at the grocery store.
 
Cindy Hamilton
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Dec 30 09:43AM -0500

On 12/30/2020 6:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
 
 
> There could be a different evil clown. The Republican party has no shortage
> of morons available for the nomination.
 
> Cindy Hamilton
 
I've always been a registered Independent. While I lean slightly to the
right people like McConnell, Graham, Rubio, assure I will never be a
Republican.
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Dec 30 06:58AM -0800

Cindy Hamilton wrote re: Trump supporters:
 
> Strangely, some of his partisans are quite intelligent. They like tax breaks
> for the rich
 
 
https://wirepoints.org/2017-tax-federal-cut-turned-out-to-be-progressive-a-few-lessons-for-illinois-and-beyond-wirepoints/
 
2017 Federal Tax Cut Turned Out To Be Progressive. A Few Lessons For Illinois And Beyond
 
Wirepoints
December 29, 2020
By: Mark Glennon and John Klingner
 
To countless politicians and critics nationally and locally, it was perhaps the most vile thing Congress ever produced.
 
The "worst bill in the history of the United States Congress," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
 
"The American plutocracy gets its immoral tax bill," wrote Jesse Jackson in the Chicago Sun-Times.
 
"Sheer greed, an effort by the…. 'malefactors of great wealth' to escape more of their obligations to the society," wrote the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
 
It was TCJA, the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and its alleged sin was a massive give-away to the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class.
 
When the bill was passed in 2017 we said to hold off on that judgement. "One thing for sure," we wrote, "is that wildly hysterical opponents have convinced the middle class they'll be getting a tax increase, and that's nonsense."
 
It turns out that may have been understatement.
 
For the first time, we have the actual results instead of estimates and assertions. In 2018, the first year for which we have hard numbers on TCJA's effect, the wealthiest Americans paid a greater portion of the burden than they did before.
 
There's more. TCJA, according to separate research, lopped a full trillion dollars off the value of high-end homes, not middle-class homes, which was part of a trade-off that accrued to the benefit of the country as a whole.
 
Here are the details:
 
The IRS publishes data on which income groups paid how much about two years after each year's filing deadline. Those numbers for 2018 recently came out and were analyzed by the NTPU, the National Taxpayers Union Foundation. Their conclusions:
 
'As a result of the TCJA, the share of federal income taxes paid increased for the top 1 percent from 38.5 percent in 2017 to 40.1 percent in 2018…. On top of this, the share of income taxes paid by the top 5 percent, top 10 percent, top 25 percent, and top 50 percent all increased. The bottom 50 percent of taxpayers saw their share of federal individual income taxes drop from 3.1 percent to 2.9 percent.'
 
Their full report is here:
https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/who-pays-income-taxes-tax-year-2018
 
How can that be? TCJA cut rates for high earners and some supposed experts said at the time that the result would be a windfall for the rich.
 
The answer is due in part to lower rates for everybody, a higher standard deduction and additional provisions designed to ease burdens low-income earners such as the increased child tax credit, all of which were in TCJA.
 
But there's clearly another reason why higher earners didn't get a windfall, one that became immediately obvious to anybody paying high property taxes in states like Illinois. For high earners, TCJA slashed the SALT deduction – deductions for state and local income tax, sales tax, and property taxes, essentially capping them at $10,000. With a higher standard deduction protecting low and moderate incomes, that cap only hit big earners.
 
And it's for that reason that the impact of TCJA goes far beyond NTPU's study. High property taxes and reduced deductibility depress home prices. Moody's Analytics quantified that effect in research last year.
 
Specifically, Moody's estimates that TCJA's reduction in SALT deductions means home prices are $1 trillion lower than they would be otherwise.
 
That loss is almost entirely concentrated on big earners and those with expensive homes in high tax states. The middle class gets the standard deduction, which TCJA increased, or if they itemize, they don't hit the $10,000 cap. So, the tax code changes hurt home values most in the wealthiest areas in the highest property tax states – Illinois, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey, according to Moody's.
 
You can see it in Moody's data below of the 40 hardest-hit counties below. They are all in high property tax states with relatively high incomes.
 
Notice that Cook County and all Chicago's collar counties are on that list
 
The point is that the savings for the general public that resulted from reduced SALT deductions were paid for heavily by the wealthy through reduced home values. TCJA was indeed progressive.
 
The bigger lesson is to beware of claims about what's progressive and what isn't. Politicians often don't know or truly care about the difference.
 
Supposedly progressive Senators like Senators Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, for example, want to double down on the hostility to TCJA by eliminating the cap on SALT deductions. That means they are directly supporting a tax cut for the rich. Schumer said, "I want to tell you this: If I become majority leader, one of the first things I will do is we will eliminate [the cap] forever…. It will be dead, gone and buried." Pelosi has tried to remove the cap as part of various pandemic relief proposals.
 
Here in Illinois, the supposed regressivity of TCJA was sometimes used to support the case for a counterbalance through the failed Fair Tax proposal, which would have allowed for progressive tax hikes at the state level. That rationale was wrong, and the Fair Tax would have been a mistake for separate reasons that we often wrote about – Illinois already has an uncompetitively high tax burden. Trying to address inequality through state tax increases where the tax base is already fleeing because of high taxes is folly.
 
TCJA had other pros and cons not discussed here. Personally, I thought at the time it went too far too fast because, among other reasons, the economy was red hot, so some of the economic stimulus it provided would have been better to preserve for tougher times (like now).
 
But it's good to see that the hysteria about it being regressive turned out wrong, at least so far.
 
In the coming year, we hope to write more about how to address income and wealth inequality focusing on what truly works and what doesn't. That's an extraordinarily complex matter in which sorting facts from political hyperbole isn't easy, as TCJA has shown..."
 
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GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Dec 30 07:25AM -0800

> https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-damned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden
 
> Sanders would have been a much better choice than Biden, maybe even a better choice than Trump.
 
 
There was an old bastard named Lenin
Who did two or three million men in.
That's a lot to have done in
But where he did one in
That old bastard Stalin did ten in...
 
;-D
 
--
Best
Greg
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Dec 30 05:19AM -0800

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 10:08:23 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> wars, invasion, foreign colonialisation, and occupation. Including
> Tanzania, which has at least a thousand years of sea trade with the
> Middle East, Far East: India and Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc.
 
If you don't mind continuing:
 
Colonists from central Europe and the UK were rivals in Tanzania during the WWI, so some of the food traits will have their origins from there.
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Dec 30 07:02AM -0800

Graham wrote:
> > poking holes in them so they could breathe better. I do wear them though.
> > Not going to risk being punched or shot at.
> GAWD! You really are incredibly stupid!!!! You really are QAninny fodder!
 
 
One cannot believe *one* word that Julie spouts, Graham...in reference to her, remember this old saw:
 
"A lie can go half way 'round the world, whilst the truth is still putting on its shoes..."
 
--
Best
Greg
GM <gregorymorrowchicago07@gmail.com>: Dec 30 07:04AM -0800

> Not really. We had a 3.5 hour talk. Do you think I'm going to post all of
> that here? Don't worry. I won't be here much longer. Who will you pick on
> then?
 
 
If you aren't careful you'll end up getting all pregnant...
 
--
Best
Greg
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Dec 30 10:13AM -0500

On 2020-12-30 6:00 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article <rsh8ts$fvv$1@dont-email.me>, juliebove@frontier.com says...
tchen skivvy, a doormat to wipe their feet on.
 
>> Really, what we talked about was between the two of us.
 
> Yet here you are again, blabbing his private life to all. Same old .
 
Not a problem. She will just deny the things she told to all.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Dec 30 10:13AM -0500

On 12/30/2020 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
 
>> (I realise that you might never read this.)
 
> I´m hanging in there for the time being, but I´ve been up for 17 hours,
> and I´m old. I could blink out at any time and in any way ;)
 
If you "blink out" please have someone notify us. I don't want to have
to do another "anyone heard from" post. ;)
 
Jill
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Dec 30 10:12AM -0500

On 2020-12-30 4:46 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
 
> didn't lose her internet connection, although it was a little blippy
> when we were 'Zooming' on Xmas day.
> I'm glad you're okay.
 
I think that internet was a problem for a lot of people on Christmas
day, possible due to record numbers of people having Zoom or other
virtual meetings. There were a lot of people watching virtual church
services. Ours was down a few times during the day.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Dec 30 10:05AM -0500

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-20-me-53360-story.html
 
Mr. Moen's scare led to a faucet.
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com>: Dec 30 04:20AM -0800

"Janet" <nobody@home.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.3a5675e132da9dc5989849@news.individual.net...
 
>> Mozzarella cheese is also very easy to make. Done that a few times but
>> also don't use it often enough to continue.
 
> Understandable. Buffaloes take up more space than ferrets.
 
OMG! He used ferret milk?
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Dec 30 10:03AM -0500

On 2020-12-29 11:59 p.m., Leo wrote:
> try a pizza crust with cream cheese, lox and capers. What´s not to like? I
> think I could make that! I would have to make gravlax, because I can´t
> afford the amount of lox it would take, but gravlax is easy.
 
My son used to run a brew pub for a French based franchise. One of
their big menu items used to be called flam but now seems to be called
flammehusche. It is basically a thin crust pizza with various toppings.
Not being pizza, they were not limited to the usual tomato sauce and
standard toppings.
 
I have posted before about the best pizza slice I ever had. It was from
a pizzeria in town and was just goat cheese and eggplant. It was
delicious. We frequently make vegetarian pizza and like to put slices
of eggplant on them.The idea of eggplant may scare some people, but it
is very good.
Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com>: Dec 30 06:13AM -0800

https://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/news/food-critic-charles-campion-dead_9858
(obit)
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/master-chef-charles-campion-dies-aged-69-095457461.html
(another)
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Campion
 
Excerpt:
 
...Between 1999 and 2005, he wrote seven editions of the Rough Guide to London Restaurants. Campion wrote three cookery books with chef Theodore Kyriakou: The Livebait Cookbook; Real Greek Food; and The Real Greek at Home. He wrote the culinary memoir Fifty Recipes To Stake Your Life On, the barbecue recipe book Food from Fire, and Eat Up! The third edition of Charles Campion's London Restaurant Guide was published in 2008.
 
He appeared in the media, mainly on MasterChef, Celebrity MasterChef[5] and in January 2013 on Celebrity Mastermind. He co-presented the Sky UK series Greatest Dishes in the World.
 
...
Janet <nobody@home.org>: Dec 30 01:32PM

In article <e7377ab7-ad88-4f5d-a6bf-fe3c30c18fb5n@googlegroups.com>,
angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com says...
 
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > Not everyone wants to get back on that horse.
 
> There is a certain element of luck in finding the right person.
 
and judgement.
 
:-)
 
Janet UK
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Dec 30 05:30AM -0800


> Do you remember where it was located in the store? I sometimes have trouble
> finding thing there. For instance, the hemp nuts are with the cereal and not
> the baking things.
 
I remember seeing olives (and diced red pepper?) in spaghetti a few times in the past.
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Dec 30 05:22AM -0800

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMkrosLHIEs
 
The Mexico and the US are the first and second fattest nations on earth:
 
"Mexico passed the United States as the most obese country in the world. The prevalence of overweight and obesity is 16.7% in preschool children, 26.2% in school children, and 30.9% in adolescents. For adults, the prevalence of overweight and obesity is 39.7 and 29.9%, respectively." -- Wikipedia
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Dec 30 05:12AM -0800

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote in alt.home.repair:
> <https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/12-things-invented-in-nebraska/collection_9317c5df-fcee-5a73-9891-6e4c1d3cabf7.html#anchor_item_5>
> Some big city type must've written this. There is no mention of
> center pivots.
 
A TV dinner serving Chinese food? Italian? French?
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