Tuesday, March 12, 2019

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Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 05:16AM +0700


>I just looked back a few days and see...Your name was in the
>tread but she was talking about the few here that constantly pick
>on J.Kuthe, not you. HTH to smooth over the situation. :)
 
Thanks Gary, but the way I read it O was referring to me:
 
 
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From: "Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT Fuck Culture!
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 10:54:52 -0000
Message-ID: <gek8nvF9i1kU1@mid.individual.net>
 
"Bruce" wrote in message
news:23l98ehnelb9l2v62q1broa6stdubshrbg@4ax.com...
 
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:58:24 +0700, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:
 
 
>It's given me yummy yoghurt to eat with my fruit and smoothies.
 
>>All it;'s tried to do TO me was deprive me of my LIBERTY to be how I want!
 
>You don't want healthy gut flora?
 
Can't you chose a worthier opponent? Everybody who's that way inclined
has already had a go at John. Or still is having a go at him.
 
==
 
One of the chosen few! I suppose it gives those with such hatred
inside
them, a target.
 
I know I have said this before, but can these people not see how
despised they are in the eyes of normal people??
 
They are disgusting!
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Basically, Bruce was criticising me for not choosing a 'worthier
opponent' than John Kuthe. Ophelia then replied to Bruce's comment.
 
For whatever reason, Ophelia doesn't use delimiters (>) in her posts,
so it gets somewhat confusing as to who said what.
 
But as I said before, no problem. I was just pointing it out and then
moved onto the topic of food again. I have no desire to drag it out
any further beyond that, even though some others may prefer I did :)
 
OB Food: Dragon fruit and bananas with yoghurt for breakfast.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Mar 12 01:10PM -0400

On 3/12/2019 6:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> consider my request.
 
>  I recall correctly, you don't like spicy food?
 
>      Yes, we can't eat them.
 
Can't but now are?
 
> two, I have been learning Hawaiian and other Asian foods.  Dsi1 has
> taught me a lot and we are loving it. We have never eaten such foods but
> now we are addicted :))
 
dsi1's examples of Asian foods are extremely limited.
 
Jill
tert in seattle <tert@ftupet.com>: Mar 12 05:23PM


>He really is an idiot when it comes to making sweeping statements like
>that. How does he know what you or I or the average "mainlander" thinks
>when we see an Asian person?
 
it's his shtick - he doesn't put much thought into it and neither should
anyone else
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Mar 12 03:36PM -0700

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:10:42 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
 
> lol I don't think I'd even met my mother-in-law when I proposed. Call
> it a gamble.
 
When I first met my mother-in-law, she told me that she didn't like me and I should just disappear. I found that to be amusing. OTOH, who could blame her? The Korean were subjugated by the Japanese back in the day. The Japanese considered the Koreans as inferiors. OTOH, being a rich Korean, my mother-in-law was educated in Japan and even had some plastic surgery there. She spoke fluent Japanese too.
 
As it goes, I didn't take her admonishment personally nor was I intimidated by her. I understood that my wife came as a package deal. And the rest is history.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Mar 12 06:54PM -0400

On 2019-03-12 6:36 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
 
 
> As it goes, I didn't take her admonishment personally nor was I
> intimidated by her. I understood that my wife came as a package deal.
> And the rest is history.
 
My mother in law was a sweetheart. One of my big disappointments has
been that she died before our son could develop enough of a relationship
with her to remember her.
 
Before I met my wife I was seriously dating a cute Polish girl. He
mother was a widow. She barely spoke English. Maybe she thought she did
but I could not understand her, nor could she understand me. One night
GF and I had a bit of a serious conversation and she indicated that she
was interested in getting married and having her mother move in with us.
We went on to make out hot and heavy. I kissed her goodnight and I
did call her again. I ran for the hills.
Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 05:50AM +0700

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:07:50 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
>will sell you cloth and then fit and make your clothing within a couple
>of days. Excellent tailoring. There's nothing in the US like a street
>market in Bangkok.
 
Sukhumvit, especially around Soi11 is one of my favourite places in
Bangkok. I reckon it may have changed just a little since you were
there! As you mention, there's many places to get a suit, and jewelry
and... well, literally anything else you might want. There's a big
Arab, Indian and African population there as well as expats and
tourists who mainly some for the sex trade. People from all walks of
life. Nana plaza is only a few minutes walk from there, which is
quite infamous.
 
Here's a few random pics from Sukhumvit:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/11lmgyah0/
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Mar 13 10:00AM +1100

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> it a gamble.
 
>When I first met my mother-in-law, she told me that she didn't like me and I should just disappear. I found that to be amusing. OTOH, who could blame her? The Korean were subjugated by the Japanese back in the day. The Japanese considered the Koreans as inferiors. OTOH, being a rich Korean, my mother-in-law was educated in Japan and even had some plastic surgery there. She spoke fluent Japanese too.
 
>As it goes, I didn't take her admonishment personally nor was I intimidated by her. I understood that my wife came as a package deal. And the rest is history.
 
It's a good thing then that your wife made up her own mind, rather
than listen to her stepmom, like some people might.
Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 06:03AM +0700

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:26:18 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
 
>> Don't say this. It is completely untrue. The cuisine is totally
>> different.
 
>There may be similarities but
 
I think the similarities mainly begin and end with certain noodles,
and some basic ingredients. The taste is different, and is generally
much less chilli used.
 
> think Thai cuisine (at least in the
>North, Chiang Mai) is more closely influenced by Laos.
 
Yes, The closest to Thai food is definitely in Laos, especially
western Laos. Around the Golden Triangle, you also see a lot of
Yunnan (Chinese food). Our area and much of the central to north is
described as 'Isaan' - that also goes for the people, dialect and
food. A lot of the food is for the very adventurous compared to
elsewhere. I like a lot of it, but not all.
 
> In the south
>(Bangkok) Vietnamese has little influence. Chinese, perhaps. There's a
>large Chinese population in Thailand.
 
Yes, many Chinese communities and sometimes they pop up in the most
unexpected places.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Mar 12 07:24PM -0400

On 3/12/2019 4:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> fine if Asians all look alike to white and black folks. That's just
>> the way it is.
 
> White people are most familiar with Chinese,
 
Says who?
 
> so they tend to round
> Asians off to Chinese.
 
Not true.
 
> country (or a feshly baked baguette under their arm), and even then.
 
> ==
 
> You should know better than us:))
 
He might know better than someone in England or Scotland but he
definitely cannot speak for white people on the mainland US. I don't
seen an Asian person and immediately think they must be Chinese. I
doubt most (he keeps saying most) Americans who live in the US do.
 
Jill
Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 06:55AM +0700

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:49:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
 
>You're not wrong, but they're designed for American cooks
>in American kitchens, with American tastes.
 
>Thai "lite".
 
Fair enough, it just irks me a little when they get names or details
wrong :) Much like most Thai restaurants in the West that I have been
to that claim to be 'authentic'... when they are quite simply not!
Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 06:59AM +0700

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:33:41 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
 
 
>> I'd better stop here for now :)
 
> From some vendors on the street I used to buy salted dried watermelon
>seeds.
 
I like watermelon seeds (the watermelons sold here still contain
seeds), but I haven't come across salted/dried seeds yet. Maybe I
haven't noticed.
 
>soup, noodles in broth, sometimes grilled fish and a few sweets. Also
>bags of dried squid. That's another salty snack I used to buy from the
>noodle vendor.
 
Yeah. You can get what Westerners would call jerky, pork crackling,
fried insects, FRESH shelled peanuts (they are a revelation!), fried
bananas, all manner of fresh fruit... the list is endless. There is
food on every corner, no matter where you are.
 
>I can't find these things where I live. The Chinese watermelon seeds
>I've tried are sweet, soaked in the juice then dried. Not at all the
>salty snacks I recall. No salted dried squid, either. ;) Oh well.
 
 
:/
Jeßus <j@j.net>: Mar 13 07:02AM +0700


>> I know that Thai culture and Vietnamese culture are different.
>>I know that Thai food and Vietnamese foods are different.
 
> Then why say they are similar? That was misleading, wasn't it?
 
LOL, yes I noticed that... I chose to end the dialogue with him. He's
never made an ounce of sense to me. I do wonder if he took too much
acid in his younger days.
 
>those ignorant "guys on the mainland" ?
 
>First you gave them wrong information then you tried to deny the
>correction.
 
LOL.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Mar 12 08:05PM -0400

On 3/12/2019 6:50 PM, Je�us wrote:
> quite infamous.
 
> Here's a few random pics from Sukhumvit:
> https://postimg.cc/gallery/11lmgyah0/
 
No doubt it's changed! From what I can tell via Google maps, the house
we rented on Soi 63 (Ekamai) is long gone. I went to the Sukumvit
market with our maid and bought some pretty (tiny) speckled green fish
to put in the shallow decorative cement fish pond next to the house.
Unfortunately, our dog thought they were a snack. :(
 
There was a small, shallow natural pond on the property, too. Fed
underground by the nearby klongs. There was a walking catfish in that
pond. In monsoon season the fish would literally come up out of the
water onto the land. I witnessed this myself, to my utter amazement.
 
We had a dog my dad brought home under the guise of us needing a "guard
dog". Truth be told, another Marine was being transferred out and
couldn't take the dog to his next assignment so Dad sorta volunteered.
It was a German Shepherd mix. And no more of a guard dog than I am. He
was really just a big furry eating machine. His name was Kamoi. I soon
understood his name based on his habit of stealing the gardener's hat.
Or anything else he could get his paws on. :)
 
Anyway, the catfish was daring. It would come up close to the surface
by the bank and Kamoi would go crazy barking at it. The catfish could
have eaten on the other side of the pond where there was no place for
the dog to see it or get to it. Same bits of flotsam and jetsom and
whatever bugs and things the fish come to the surface to eat. I swear,
that darn fish was deliberately teasing the dog.
 
I'm pretty sure Kamoi eventually won that battle. There's a moral in
that story somewhere. ;)
 
Jill
"Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>: Mar 12 06:45PM

Very strong (it was cooked very slowly for around 2 days (as I learned
here:) It is beautiful and smells heavenly.
 
I haven't made it for a very long time, but thanks to you all for
encouraging me:))
 
What would you make with it?
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Mar 13 04:19AM +1100

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:05:11 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>recipient.
 
>==
 
>Oohh that sounds good to me:))) What did the other 'recipient' have?
 
The same. I meant to say that I didn't cook it. I only ate it :)
"Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>: Mar 12 06:10PM

"Bruce" wrote in message news:qgqf8elk361i6clcp2l9ivuasg15au46v2@4ax.com...
 
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:05:11 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
>recipient.
 
>==
 
>Oohh that sounds good to me:))) What did the other 'recipient' have?
 
The same. I meant to say that I didn't cook it. I only ate it :)
 
==
 
Awwwww do you cook?? Hmmm???
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Mar 13 05:29AM +1100

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:10:06 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>The same. I meant to say that I didn't cook it. I only ate it :)
 
>==
 
>Awwwww do you cook?? Hmmm???
 
Yes, but not as often as I should.
"Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>: Mar 12 06:33PM

"Bruce" wrote in message news:cjuf8e9cp4u5pvssacpaqol4k3vbseetrt@4ax.com...
 
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:10:06 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>The same. I meant to say that I didn't cook it. I only ate it :)
 
>==
 
>Awwwww do you cook?? Hmmm???
 
Yes, but not as often as I should.
 
==
 
What do you cook, when you do ... iyswim? :)
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>: Mar 12 03:22PM -0700

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 9:07:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
 
> You'd get into less trouble if you limited your blanket statements to
> Hawaiians, them being people that you actually know well. Unless you
> like trouble, of course. Then everything goes.
 
I can make blanket statements about America because I am an American and have lived on the mainland. Your qualifications don't seem so sterling. Why the heck do you think you know so much about Americans? You seem to have found all your knowledge about us from comic books.
 
Of course, common sense tells us that people that have not lived in Hawaii shouldn't make blanket statements about the Hawaiians - it seems that they've found all their knowledge of Hawaii on cans of fruit punch and Maui style potato chips.
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Mar 13 04:20AM +1100


>I posted this in the egg thread
 
You could have fooled me.
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>: Mar 12 01:22PM -0400

On 3/12/2019 10:51 AM, Gary wrote:
 
> Same with ham and cheese next time I cook a ham.
> (It's been a few years since I cooked a ham)
 
> Do you ever cook meat pies? What do you use?
 
She undoubtedly makes her own crust if she makes steak and kidney pie. ;)
 
Jill
tert in seattle <tert@ftupet.com>: Mar 12 05:33PM

>stuff like sausage rolls.
 
>You know, that type of thing. It's great as a topping for meat etc pies too
>:))
 
 
is it "rough" because you mix the butter in with the flour and salt rather
than fold it in to the dough?
Bruce <bruce@invalid.invalid>: Mar 13 09:59AM +1100

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:22:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
 
>I can make blanket statements about America because I am an American
>and have lived on the mainland. Your qualifications don't seem so
>sterling. Why the heck do you think you know so much about Americans?
 
Do I? RFC is a selection of people. For instance, here most Americans
are older and don't mind all the chemical additions to food. They see
that as one of the advances of post-war science and eat it all
happily. But I know that there's also a big health movement in the US.
People who wouldn't touch those science projects. They're just not in
RFC very much.
 
Same with animal welfare. There are lots of Americans who care about
other animals than pets, but the old RFC folk don't. My prejudices are
more about RFC Americans than about Americans in general.
 
>You seem to have found all your knowledge about us from comic books.
 
Lol, I've hardly ever read any American comic books. Maybe Batman a
bit. Do you wear a cape?
 
>Of course, common sense tells us that people that have not lived in Hawaii shouldn't make blanket statements about the Hawaiians - it seems that they've found all their knowledge of Hawaii on cans of fruit punch and Maui style potato chips.
 
I have most of my knowledge of Hawaiians from you. Before RFC, I knew
as little about Hawaii as about Haiti or Guadeloupe.
"Ophelia" <OphElsnore@gmail.com>: Mar 12 06:24PM

"tert in seattle" wrote in message news:q68qgr$36a$2@ftupet.ftupet.com...
 
 
>You know, that type of thing. It's great as a topping for meat etc pies
>too
>:))
 
 
is it "rough" because you mix the butter in with the flour and salt rather
than fold it in to the dough?
 
==
 
I suppose so. It is much easier and faster too:))) I haven't made real
puff pastry for eons.
 
I started making rough puff in my early 20s and I am still doing so:))
 
I still have my Bero book, but it is just about falling to bits <g>
 
This is mine
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/192850355084?chn=ps
 
Bero Rough Puff Pastry
 
http://www.be-ro.co.uk/Be-Ro/media/downloads/Be-Ro_website_recipes.pdf
 
Ingredients
225 g (8 oz) Be-Ro Plain Flour
a pinch of salt
100 ml (4 fl oz) water
150 g (5 oz) lard and margarine, mixed
cold water to mix
 
Preparation Instructions
1. Mix flour and salt, add fat cut into small pieces.
2. Stir in with a knife (do not rub in). Mix to a stiff dough with water.
3. Roll out on a floured surface to a narrow strip.
4. Fold in three, give a quarter turn so one of the open ends is towards you
and roll out again. Do this
three times in all.
5. Cover pastry and leave to rest (about 15 minutes) then roll into desired
shape.
6. In hot weather allow pastry to rest for 20-30 minutes in a refrigerator
or cool place before use.
NB: Always take care to roll away from you and do not break the air bubbles
that will rise.
 
I use butter or lard, it tastes better.
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com>: Mar 12 03:57PM -0700

"Gary" <g.majors@att.net> wrote in message news:5C87C784.9F73D0E7@att.net...
> too.
 
> All my homemade pizza's, either white or with red sauce, have
> broccoli. Good stuff, bro!
 
I made the mistake of ordering a vegetarian pizza when we lived on Cape Cod.
Here, you're likely to get toppings of green pepper, onion, mushroom, black
olives and occasionally pineapple. The pizza I got had all of those things
except for the pineapple but it also had a ton of broccoli! I immediately
knew something was wrong when I was handed a soggy, wet box.
 
The broccoli had cooked down to mush and ruined the whole pizza. The crust
was so damp, the slices fell apart when you tried to pick them up. I hate
cooked broccoli! Picking it off didn't help either. It invaded everything
and made it taste like broccoli.
 
I called the place and complained. They did send me a coupon for a free
pizza but I never used it. I couldn't shake the memories of that hideous
one!
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