Monday, April 27, 2020

Digest for rec.food.cooking@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 5 topics

Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 27 11:34AM -0400

Bruce wrote:
> Thanks Americans! On to Vietnam!
 
Sadly, the Vietnam war (their civil war)
was actually a war between the USA and
the Soviet Union. Or more distincly a
war about communism vs the alternate.
Many more countries participated in that too.
 
Those Vietnamese kids (north and south)
were only pawns in that chess game.
 
Our people had to fight a war with one hand tied
behind there backs and that's why it dragged on
so long with so many loss of lives on both sides.
 
IMO, if we declare war on some country, we should tell
our military, "Go win this," and let them do what they
were trained to do. Don't limit what they can do.
End it quick.
 
And you can even learn a lesson from the Nazi's and
their early Blitzkriegs. Attack with full force all at
once and overwhelm your enemy.
 
That's how our Special Forces are trained.
U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Apr 27 10:16AM -0600

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:13:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>workers to work for pay when civilian workers who do the same job are not
>allowed to work. Such as mowing grass and pruning bushes, painting, roofing,
>etc.
 
You bet your bootie he is attempting to control you. He took control
of the city right off the bat when you had such over whelming illness
spreading there. Be thankful that he took charge and you are still
alive. If you want to know why government maintenance people can work
and your gardener can't, have your gardener call the governor's
office. Or check the governor's web site. I am sure that it is
explained. Aside from the fact that government gardeners don't
interact with the public and independent gardeners can and sometimes
do interact with their customers. Most of us out in the nation
applauded your governor and his actions.
Janet US
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Apr 27 12:18PM -0400

On 2020-04-27 11:34 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Many more countries participated in that too.
 
> Those Vietnamese kids (north and south)
> were only pawns in that chess game.
 
That was a damned shame, since it was their country.
 
 
> Our people had to fight a war with one hand tied
> behind there backs and that's why it dragged on
> so long with so many loss of lives on both sides.
 
 
You didn't have to fight it at all. The French had drawn the Viet Minh
into open battle in the hope of destroying them with superior fire
power. When they realized they had bitten off more than they could chew
they asked the US for help in the form of air support. The US refused.
They weren't interested in extending France's colonial hold on Indo
China, even though they had been an ally against the Japanese.
 
The US was involved with the talks to end the civil war and was a party
to the deal that arranged to divide the country, established a
demilitarized zone and to hold a plebiscite on reunification. When the
time came for the vote the corrupt regime in the south realized that the
North was going to win, so they refused to hold it, and the US backed them.
 
It was an odd situation. The country that likes to think of itself as
the great democracy backed a corrupt regime to deny the people that
democratic vote, and all the while claiming that they were fighting
against an enemy of democracy.
 
 
 
> our military, "Go win this," and let them do what they
> were trained to do. Don't limit what they can do.
> End it quick.
 
That's the way I figure it. War is dirty, but if you are going to go to
war you have to go in with a plan to win and a plan to get out. The
idea of surgical strikes sounds good, but there is always collateral
damage, and that just pisses off the people who would have been
neutral, and they tend to support their home team.
 
 
 
> And you can even learn a lesson from the Nazi's and
> their early Blitzkriegs. Attack with full force all at
> once and overwhelm your enemy.
 
The more important lesson was the one imposed on Germany by the Allies
and their insistence on unconditional surrender.
 
 
> That's how our Special Forces are trained.
 
Not at all. The Special Forces are sent in to attack specific targets,
usually involving specialized equipment and tactics. They work as
advisors to assist local allies fight their common enemy. In the early
stages of the Afghanistan fiasco Army Rangers were sent in with bags
full of money and bargained with local war lords to buy their support.
They offered them money, and if they couldn't get a deal they would
resort to Plan B and bomb the bastards.
U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Apr 27 10:37AM -0600

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:51:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>seemingly the only other person I know who heard the press conference where
>Inslee said this is my friend Jim. He repeated back to me what he heard and
>it was exactly what I heard.
 
I suggest you read here:
https://coronavirus.wa.gov/spread-facts/what-does-it-mean-stay-home
 
and here:
https://coronavirus.wa.gov/you-and-your-family#grocery
How can I stay safe when going grocery shopping?
You can take several steps you can take before, during and after you
go grocery shopping to keep yourself and others safe.
Before you go
Only make needed trips. Don't go to the store if you're sick, and be
extra cautious if you or a loved one is more likely to get sick from
COVID-19.
Wash your hands.
Consider ordering groceries online for pick up or delivery.
Check for special hours. Many stories offer special shopping hours for
people over 60, pregnant people, and those with medical conditions.
At the store
Wear a cloth face covering that covers your nose and mouth.
Use hand sanitizer or an antiseptic wipe to clean the handles of a
grocery cart or basket.
Keep your distance of at least six feet between you and others, even
in the checkout line.
Cover your coughs and sneezes.
Don't touch your face.
Save some for your neighbors. Only buy what you need so there will be
enough for everyone.
When you get home
Wash your hands.
Practice food safety. Don't disinfect your groceries. Wash your fruit
and vegetables as you normally would.
 
As I said, check your state government COVID-19 resource pages and
stop repeating some radio newsreader with an urge to show off.
Janet US
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 27 12:45PM -0400

Sheldon Martin wrote:
 
> I also place my military ID number on all clothing
 
;)
Omni Vore <eats_all@good.things>: Apr 27 10:07AM -0700

On 4/26/2020 10:13 PM, Droolie the Bovine wrote:
 
> The Governor
> said people who are 65 and up should not leave their houses at all.
 
Gov. Inslee didn't say that, you brain-damaged moron.
 
> My Governor is attempting to control us.
 
No.
 
Your governor is attempting to flatten the curve and keep hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed with people sick from this virus.
 
You're a brain-dead fuckwit.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 28 03:31AM +1000

>their early Blitzkriegs. Attack with full force all at
>once and overwhelm your enemy.
 
>That's how our Special Forces are trained.
 
It was a ridiculous war by a misbehaving US. All because your
presidents were more concerned with re-election than with human life,
whether American or Vietnamese. It was mankind at its worst.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 28 03:35AM +1000


>> It would make a lot more sense than wishing him well.
 
>Not good diplomacy, pal. You only say something like that
>right before you start a war.
 
Trump's "diplomacy" hasn't led to anything. The little maniac's
running rings around him.
 
>Think about it. If alcohol can kill the virus, may be that
>people that drink (and have alcohol in their blood) might
>be a bit more resistent to it.
 
The president of the US suggesting that people inject themselves with
bleach is a new low :) Please re-elect this moron, just for laughs.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 28 03:36AM +1000

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:07:07 -0700, Omni Vore <eats_all@good.things>
wrote:
 
 
>> The Governor
>> said people who are 65 and up should not leave their houses at all.
 
>Gov. Inslee didn't say that, you brain-damaged moron.
 
Remember how you were big on politeness?
 
 
>Your governor is attempting to flatten the curve and keep hospitals
>from becoming overwhelmed with people sick from this virus.
 
>You're a brain-dead fuckwit.
 
Tsss... politeness!
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Apr 27 01:37PM -0400

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:59:00 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Julie, I really can't believe that the stores around you would use
>such confusing and irritating language as "elderly" when all other
>stores in the US are using the term 60 and over.
 
I've never seen the term "elderly" used, here they use the term
"senior". The store definition of senior is 55 and over. Wednesday
mornings is Seniors day, seniors get a 6% discount but I never
remember and my shopping time is usually Monday mid morning... that's
when I have my standing date with the meat lady, she always asks how I
prepared the meat I bought, this coming Monday I can tell her how I
roasted the pork loin she chose for me. She didn't believe I was a
senior, I had to show her my drivers license... I don't think she's a
senior, I'd guess her age to be 50... women don't believe I'm 77, will
be 78 in three more weeks.
 
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Apr 27 01:40PM -0400

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:13:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>Meyers and the bread store give discounts for 55 and up. I think I could get
>a discount at Denny's. Not that I would eat there. In no way do I consider
>myself to be elderly.
 
At my age I consider a 60 year old woman a young chick.
 
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Apr 27 12:01PM -0400

On 2020-04-27 11:30 a.m., Gary wrote:
 
> And then in real life, we have goats that climb trees.
> How crazy is that? Probably since they still can't
> get a driver's license yet.
 
 
I have known a few people who had goats. They were fun, but they were
very mischievous. The place behind us has a U pick berry operation and
small petting zoo. The guy built a nice high pen for them and built an
elevated walkway for them. When I was taking riding lessons there was
a pair of goats at the stable. I used to take my dog once in a while. He
would go around and greet all the horses, touching noses with them. He
had a special attraction to the goats.
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 28 03:38AM +1000


>Yes. At age 30 after she got married.
>That doesn't mean she didn't have sex before
>but a "Dad" doesn't what to hear about that. :)
 
Yes, your generation has a hangup with that. "Not my little princess!"
Bruce <bruce@null.null>: Apr 28 03:39AM +1000

>age 25, on average.
 
>As I said though, it's a progression over many years
>and not an automatic age.
 
dsi1 calls people in their 30s and 40 kids.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Apr 27 01:11PM -0400


>Even in those areas, it's just the vocal crowd that makes
>the news. I suspect that many in those areas will still
>opt on the side of caution. I know I will.
 
I've always opted on the side of caution. I'm not a party animal,
never was. I'm the epitomy of a homebody, I've no need to go where
people congregate, I'm comfortable staying at home. I've no need for
company, I actually don't enjoy a meal eating at a table of people I
hardly know. I've been practising social distancing all my life,
since long before the term was invented. I don't practise any
religion, if I ever have the need my favorite place to worship is
sitting on the throne, praying everything comes out okay. My only
inconvience is having to grocery shop in a hurry, I would normally
explore all the aisles and chat with the ladies. Now I grab what I
need and depart... it feels freaky with everyone fitted out like the
Lone Ranger. I rush through my shopping as the mask fogs my
glasses... mask comes off soon as I'm in my car. I try to choose my
once a week to shop when the store in fairly empty, that small store
is never crowded anyway... between 10-11 in the AM it's practically
only me... I leave my home made cloth mask in my car. Rather than
launder it every time I filled a small eyeglass cleaner bottle with
rubbing alchohol, it's more an atomizer than a spray, 5-6 pumps and
that cloth mask is saturated.
Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>: Apr 27 08:36AM -0700

On 4/27/2020 8:24 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
 
> https://i.postimg.cc/mDkbNh1r/Six-tomato-cages-1-4-27-2020.jpg
 
> Cage 'em when young, it's much easier :-)
 
> John Kuthe...
 
You leave the labels on, so you can return them to the store after harvest?
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Apr 27 08:41AM -0700

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 10:36:44 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
 
> > Cage 'em when young, it's much easier :-)
 
> > John Kuthe...
 
> You leave the labels on, so you can return them to the store after harvest?
 
No, because there's no REASON to remove them!
 
John Kuthe...
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 27 12:02PM -0400

John Kuthe wrote:
 
> https://i.postimg.cc/HWJMTkvH/Six-tomato-cages-2-4-27-2020.jpg
 
> https://i.postimg.cc/mDkbNh1r/Six-tomato-cages-1-4-27-2020.jpg
 
> Cage 'em when young, it's much easier :-)
 
You planted tomatoes way too close together and they should be
planted in the middle, not so close to the porch wall.
Since you just planted them yesterday, now is the time to
dig them up and replant. What you have there won't produce
much.
 
You have 6 plants. I suggest 3 on each side of your porch steps.
Or at least use all of one side.
U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Apr 27 10:19AM -0600

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:24:43 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
 
>https://i.postimg.cc/mDkbNh1r/Six-tomato-cages-1-4-27-2020.jpg
 
>Cage 'em when young, it's much easier :-)
 
>John Kuthe...
 
You spent a lot of money on cages that are going to tip over as the
tomatoes grow. The cages are narrower at the bottom. You better run
a stake in the ground to attach to each cage. Those cages are for
lightweights like flowers.
Janet US
John Kuthe <johnkuthern@gmail.com>: Apr 27 09:20AM -0700

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:03:16 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> much.
 
> You have 6 plants. I suggest 3 on each side of your porch steps.
> Or at least use all of one side.
 
They are now in tomato plant cages! My father made chicken wire cages for his tomato plants one year, and we had more tomatoes than we knew what to do with! None birdie or squirrel ate too!
 
And here's what's across the front!
 
https://i.postimg.cc/90C3P5tJ/Stage-Right-plantings-4-27-2020.jpg
 
https://i.postimg.cc/LXzKZ6fJ/Stage-Left-Plantings-4-27-2020.jpg
 
I work WITH Mother Gaia, not against! Unlike most humans!
 
John Kuthe...
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>: Apr 27 12:40PM -0400

On 2020-04-27 12:19 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> tomatoes grow. The cages are narrower at the bottom. You better run
> a stake in the ground to attach to each cage. Those cages are for
> lightweights like flowers.
 
Cages like that work for me. If the plants grow well they tend to spread
out evenly, or you can move the stems and hook then on the other side to
balance them.
U.S. Janet B. <JB@nospam.com>: Apr 27 10:49AM -0600

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:40:38 -0400, Dave Smith
 
>Cages like that work for me. If the plants grow well they tend to spread
>out evenly, or you can move the stems and hook then on the other side to
>balance them.
 
I guess I hadn't considered folks that grow small tomato plants. My
plants grow 5 feet then drape over the sides of the cage and back
down. I use concrete reinforcing wire. I grow indeterminate tomato
plants.
Janet US
graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca>: Apr 27 10:59AM -0600

On 2020-04-27 10:49 a.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> down. I use concrete reinforcing wire. I grow indeterminate tomato
> plants.
> Janet US
 
I put cages around my French tarragon plants. This keeps them nicely
bunched even after the hail-storms we always get.
Gary <g.majors@att.net>: Apr 27 01:03PM -0400

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> I guess I hadn't considered folks that grow small tomato plants. My
> plants grow 5 feet then drape over the sides of the cage and back
> down.
 
True. Last time I grew tomatoes they grew that high. I didn't use
cages but tall stakes and tied off stems with cloth strips. Only
6 plants in a small area but I ended up getting more than we
could eat for a month or two. Roughly about 14 per day.
 
I really miss a garden. Growing in pots just isn't the same
at all.
Sheldon Martin <penmart01@aol.com>: Apr 27 11:40AM -0400


>Recent research suggests that glucosamine not only doesn't help with
>joint issues, but might make them worse. That's for people. I don't
>know if it could be different for dogs.
 
One of the best diets for critters and people to protect from joint
issues are soups/stews high in gelatin.
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